Does Veigar Require Skill?

rasx·5/13/2017, 4:57:54 AM·3 votes·3,385 views

I main mid lane and my best champion in terms of KD ratio is easily Veigar. My most recent game I went 8-2 and that's about what my average is. Of course if I'm up against a Zed, it won't be so high. My question is many people, after losing to me, tell me Veigar requires no skill. I don't understand this much. His Q is a skill shot, his W is also a skill shot, his E is extremely tough to land correctly to stun, and his R has a short range where you need to get dangerously close to kill someone. Does anyone else agree or disagree with me?

15 Comments

9 X5/13/2017, 7:15:34 AM8 votes

Actually I'd call Veigar one of the unskilled champions honestly.

Just farm out your lane one way or another, if you're in danger of being all-inned your E is pretty much as big as a lane, so barring being completely blindsided, QSS or just being flashed on it's difficult to finish off a team with Veigar in it. And of course attempting to engage a team with a Veigar means you need to inflict very big damages (ideally with chained crowd control) or people on your team are pretty much guaranteed to be chunked. And even then that may still happen between the catch 22 of waiting out his E or getting stunned trying to escape.

There is a decent skillcap with his E, but even if you screw up immensely Veigar is a terror in teamfights. It's a wonder he's not played professionally more often.

LikeMyBird5/13/2017, 7:26:37 AM5 votes

Here are my points:

1- Q is a skill shot, but so god damn fast, it's impossible to dodge if aim correctly.

2- His e is retarded in teamfights (burn flashes or die). Also Dashes now stop on the cage (riot should reversed it due to lack of counter play)

3- NO, he is not hard to play and he doesn't need a lot of game to get used to.

4- You can play him full tank with a deathcap and still have over 800 AP at 30 minutes, and THAT'S stupid.

5- Always the SAME combo ( e-w-q-r ) or late game on a carry (q-r). Does it looks hard to play?

Conclusion : NO he does not require skills to play. Yes the champ is not balanced (low range is not the diffinition of balanced, tell all the yasuo's haters)

PS: Yes his ult scale with missing HP, but dont tell me it's hard to judge ffs (full dmg at 33% HP)

SEKAI5/13/2017, 5:04:40 AM4 votes

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My question is many people, after losing to me, tell me Veigar requires no skill. I don't understand this much.

That's commonly referred to as "salt".

Don't worry about it too much. Veiger isn't an OP champ, he hasn't been one since like forever, there is no reason to call him "no skill".

Veigar is a burst mage. The fact he bursts doesn't make him OP or no-skill, it's kinda just him doing his job. The tradeoff for his bursts is his lack of mobility, his awkwardly CC that require you to "miss" it to hit, and the fact he dies to everything in 2 hits.

It may feel unfair that one gets 1 shot by his point-and-click ulti, but then again, for that to happen you must already be pretty low. It works just like any execution abilities.

MysterQ5/13/2017, 5:02:37 AM4 votes

People just think you have to be a flashy champion. Honestly the champions with basic kits require more skill to take into a high level (or your appropriate level) and win. Flashy champions can make impressive moves. But Annie requires you to actually know the game and your champion. And if they get caught out by Flash Tibbers it means they didn't have the skill to dodge the obvious.

Steven09835/29/2017, 8:46:28 PM2 votes

Is this even a question? In which world does veigar take skill. He has high early game damage, he just destorys everything late game. But then you shut him down and you think "this is not too bad" but then you rember he has infinite scaling and just resort to AFK.

Friendly Ram5/13/2017, 2:56:40 PM2 votes

You do require skill and positioning to play him well but his skill floor is quite low.

werlsern5/29/2017, 7:53:03 PM2 votes

I believe that my opinion is important and y'all shall bow to me and agree with me

long story short, I'm unfortunately mastery 7 viegar and he literately takes 0 skill

End of story, Veigar is broken af

Unless your against a high mobility assassin, then they have a minuscule chance to beat you.

WitchQueen Annie5/29/2017, 8:53:10 PM1 votes

He takes skill if you are playing against decent opponents.

Most of his damage is very easily avoided in lane, making it hard to trade. The other day, I picked Viktor into Veigar, dodged everything, and just destroyed him in lane.

His W and his E are super telegraphed and can easily be avoided. Q isn't very reliable. He's got very little to trade with.

He also has a major weakness which is that every time he uses Q to farm minions people can go in for free trades.

But if playing in an elo where people just keep walking (en masse) into your Cage, then yes he is Freelo. But its not that he doesn't take skill, its that he's OP when others don't know how to deal with him and dodge his damage.

Oblivious Denial5/13/2017, 5:16:12 AM1 votes

I'd say Q is easy to land but it's a line skillshot so it can be body blocked and it doesn't have the longest of ranges. W is landed easily if you land E (as long as they don't have merc treads). E is where the majority of the skill comes in. Most of the time, you won't have a slow on your team to line it up so landing it can be problematic, but I've found that with certain comps, it's very easy to land. Lets say for instance if you have an Ashe ADC. If she lands her W then you can easily land your E.

I'd like to say his difficulty is based on the meta; if it's a teamfighting meta where people tend to farm till late, he rules, but if it's a split pushing meta where there's a lot of assassins and people with a lot of mobility, he's very hard to play since landing his E is near impossible without assistance from an ally (btw, Thresh/Veigar bot is legit in silver/gold) and he's an immobile burst mage so he's picked off easily by the likes of a Zed.

Michael7025/13/2017, 5:30:05 AM1 votes

You should be able to outplay Zed.

Cavemantero5/13/2017, 2:40:52 PM1 votes

the skill with veigar comes in with avoid dying to assassins like Leblanc, etc. He'll win the laning phase but he can't roam without support. That is why he is so limited in LCS.

warpenguin5555/13/2017, 5:00:15 AM1 votes

Not really. I mean he's harder than Champions like Annie and Yi, but not by that much.