Zed isn't an overpowered champion.

Ashes Arise·1/9/2015, 6:39:22 PM·4 votes·1,216 views

Zed isn't an overpowered champion. He is overpowered in this meta, and it surely doesn't help that they gutted mana regen which affects mostly his lane opponents. On top of that armor pen is in a much better spot than it usually is. I hate this meta. I hate what they did to the jungle, I hate what they did to the items, and I hate what they did to the towers. Please stop complaining about Zed, and focus on the changes that are enabling him to be overbearing.

31 Comments

Cale0171/9/2015, 6:42:03 PM5 votes

Because him being able to free farm under turret, poke over halfway down a lane, dodge almost anything you can throw at him, and 2v1 with relative ease all have nothing to do with what makes him strong right now, right? It's just because jungle creeps do more damage these days, we've all been horrifically misled.

Drunk Rummate1/9/2015, 7:29:28 PM4 votes

overpowered in this meta = overpowered champion

the meta is by definition the best way to play. if he's too good in that environment then he's too good period.

assassins are good because of mana regen nerfs and the increased value of map control as opposed to the season 4 turtle/siege comps. the meta isnt going to magically change unless aspects of that foundation change as well, which would require a big overhaul.

so your options are to either adjust the overperforming champions (like Zed) or redesign the foundation that made him good (return mana regen to where it was, or de-emphasize the importance of dragon, increase the duration of blue buff again, etc.)

Ashes Arise1/9/2015, 6:45:46 PM4 votes

Oh dear God. Its no wonder Riot ignores forum user opinions.

Gorsz1/9/2015, 6:43:02 PM3 votes

Nice try zed main but hes OP.

Hes top banned all around the world, including Korea.

Smoke another.

Hes an incredibly safe ASSASSIN with a great laning phase.

Raptamei1/9/2015, 8:38:11 PM3 votes

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Zed isn't an overpowered champion. He is overpowered in this meta

That's the definition of overpowered.

DarkLarvitar1/9/2015, 6:43:29 PM3 votes

Zed isn't an overpowered champion"- said no one ever "Jinx

Ashes Arise1/9/2015, 6:59:08 PM3 votes

I would also argue that he is the most well designed pure assassin champion in the game.

I would classify the following champions as pure assassins, and I will give a reason/s why I feel they aren't designed as well as Zed. I'm not calling these champions unbalanced or OP. I'm just stating why I feel Zed is better designed, and should be rewarded for it.

-Akali I don't need to go into detail on this one. Pretty universally agreed that she is one of the worst designed champs in the game. From the synergy of over the top spellvamp and heavy stealth to being un-kiteable due to R

-Evelynn Constantly being nerfed to unviablility because of the lack of counter play. Her nearly infinite stealth allows her to pass by wards and sneak up on people a little too well. When she does ambush a person she has very strong chase and misleading escape. Chasing an Evelynn is very similar to chasing a singed. She can damage you with hatespikes by spamming it during her escape, and can turn on you with nearly unparalleled chase.

-Fizz Massive aoe damage and one of the highest bursts in the game (Veigar exists). Extreme mobility, burst and high sustained damage. He is also one of the most difficult champions in the game to attack even in meelee range. He has no stealth, but does that really even matter with this champion?

-Kassadin R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R

-Katarina Oh dear god. The Queen of aoe assassination. When I hear the term "assassin" I picture someone quickly taking out a single target. This champion can assassinate an entire team. Her resets give her power in ways that it shouldn't. There are situations where 1 person can easily duel her but the presence of a squishier team mate can put the odds in her favor instead of the other team. It is really strange that there are situations in most games where she has a better chance of going 1v3+ than she does in a 1v1 against one of the same champions.

-LeBlanc LeBitch

-Shaco The King of deception and stealth. This champion laughs in the face of Riot's philosophy on clarity. His entire kit is based on destroying clarity.

-Talon His single target assassination has the least counterplay attached to it of any other assassinate in the game. Not to mention his initiate and escape are even beyond Zed's That is pretty much it. Rengar used to be a close 2nd, but since his rework he can be viably played closer to a bruiser. This is why I'm leaving Rengar off this list.

Remember, I'm not saying I have a problem with these assassins. I'm merely showing how Zed is the most well designed champion in the role that has most of the worst designed champions in the game.

In the end, Zed is a single target assassin, without stealth, that has very well established counter play. He can be frustrating to play against, but that is because of his role. It isn't because his individual champion design.

Sachabot1/9/2015, 7:44:18 PM3 votes

I would push for the removal of his E's passive % AD. This would weaken his harass while still allowing him to farm well, and allowing his all-in to still be strong (which he needs as an assassin). And without the ability to brute force so much, I'd hope that this change would reward people for actually outplaying as Zed instead of insert faceroll here.

There are two cases in which this is bad:

  1. It totally guts him. In which case, a different change is tested and eventually made.
  2. It doesn't do enough. So we just add another nerf, perhaps like the shadow range limit proposed elsewhere in this thread.
TyrantCelestia1/9/2015, 6:57:35 PM2 votes

nah his op as fk his passive needs to change or living shadow passive needs to be removed! and he is safe as fk

360D3GR3SS1/9/2015, 10:25:22 PM1 votes

Sigh...Zed is strong in 1v1 situations. His teamfighting is meh even though he has aoe abilities. You take exhaust in lane against him, you win the lane. You buy zhonyas or QSS early, you win the lane. You flash properly to avoid his damage after his ultimate, you win the lane...There are a few things to counter him and these things counter him VERY VERY HARD. His late game is strong sure, but also by then he has no good targets to assassinate because everyone has some form of countering zed by then...He is a snowballing assassin that people do not recognize as "snowbally". Play safe in the lanning phase and dodge his slow Qs...IF you REALLY think you will lose against him buy cloth 5 to start, he will have no way to kill you if you have cloth 5 in lane.

stealthfox941/9/2015, 7:14:11 PM1 votes

You might be right but what's so bad about this meta?

Kuroi861/9/2015, 9:12:23 PM1 votes

Overpowered, no, too safe, yes.