Why high elo players think Zed isn't a problem

Rock MD·4/8/2019, 8:08:17 PM·6 votes·2,535 views

Recently, there's been a huge outcry from the community that champions like Zed are a problem because they have really high win+pick rates, to which most high elos say that Zed isn't a problem.

And then people scratch their heads and say, "remove the word elo, are you just high?" and there's a good reason for it. In most cases, it's because encounters in low elo are usually lethal, and Zed is really, REALLY good at being lethal. If you're a squishy there's simply no dueling him.

In high elo though (in theory, most games are too clown fiesta unless you're in a region like KR), one of the things that gets measured is kit strength. To give an idea of what I mean, let's compare Kalista to Zed.

Kalista has a lot of kit strength. She has the ability to enable an initiate, secure objectives, and she is a dominant laner. If I'm playing Ezreal in low elo, I might try to hit her with my Q's because if I weave in my spells perfectly, I'll outdps her. If I'm playing Ezreal in high elo, I realize that that is so unlikely that I tend to avoid interactions altogether and let the wave push to my side. Kalista's passive gives her a lot of strength in determining the early laning phase as well as lane priority for the jungler to play off of.

Another overly nerfed champion is Viktor. Viktor's E is what I call the CD tax. Most Koreans agree that in lane, you should never miss your laser, and so what happens is the champion consistently hits you with E's and you need to hope that he runs out of mana before you run out of hp. Then, he scales up and he wins teamfights extremely hard. This is another strong kit, and if you master the fundamentals of the game he's extremely safe because you know how to position the wave to never allow for a significant opening. To compensate, Riot has had to nerf the kit down to the point that only people with extremely strong basic gameplay fundamentals can play him consistently.

On the other hand, Zed has very little kit strength. As with all assassins, he's very scary in lane because if you don't control the waves right he can chunk you down for significant amounts of damage. That being said, early on he doesn't give good priority or lane presence, and his inability to control waves means he's playing around the capabilities of his opponent. He also cannot set up for a gank the way other assassins (namely LeBlanc) can. He is a strong duelist later in the game but he doesn't take TP so his map presence is weak and if you have a dedicated support it's hard for him to all in as well.

So what Riot has been doing is buffing his numbers. This only works for low elo and a select few matchups that he only barely lost, so it doesn't make up for the glaring flaws in his kit.

Ultimately, Zed is likely overtuned, and might need a numbers nerf to compensate for his frustration in low elo, but the glaring issue is more that people aren't paying respect to his kit. If you know how to manage waves to avoid all ins, the champion becomes significantly weaker.

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Saezio4/8/2019, 8:34:16 PM4 votes
Ahri Baka4/9/2019, 1:21:42 AM3 votes

well according to op.gg in Korea he has 53.40% winrate and 12.06% pick rate with 38+% ban rate for a High skill champion

Personally I play Zed a lot and I play against him a lot the only problem I usually have against him is that I'm forced to rush item 3191 because If I don't , I'll die faster not being able to Rush item 3191 Means I won't be able to Rush my item 3285 to have my first power spike so I can carry better Getting item 3191 doesn't mean I'm immortal , he still has a Room to outplay But I can still outplay him and have some patience and believing of the coin flip of having my team hold the game until I scale

The problem comes here , he will Roam , since he can roam better than me , he can get fed easily from bot lane only He is strong at scuttle fights my adc normally has no way of buying Armor and they are always 1 or 2 levels behind , Zed will eventually Press R E Auto E Auto , and kill them despite missing Q's , unless our Support is Lulu , or Maybe Ali or Even Leona , there is no other way to Save that adc and prevent him from being fed

That's why he is frustrating to play against , I believe the problems I mentioned aren't a low Elo problems only Since my favorite streamer is Stylish , the mentioned Arguments earlier are big problems in high elo as well

I get to watch it how when he is against a lot of mages who get 1 shot and say " Well they don't have any armor " and the games where they Rush armor but have trouble with csing , and fighting in general and mana issues , they end up getting killed then we hear the " PRRRRRRR " then he gets fed and you know the rest .

PS : Zed is planned to get nerfed anyway

https://twitter.com/RiotRepertoir/status/1115422818550681600

boricCentaur14/8/2019, 9:01:18 PM2 votes

Good post explaining why zed is not a problem in high elo. Im in low elo and I don't want zed to be nerfed since if the game is balanced around people playing wrong then I have no reason to get better and learn whereas if champions like zed are not nerfed and you have to learn to play vs them you get better.

Titanium704/8/2019, 9:34:10 PM2 votes

I dont know man...

Having 30% Banrate and also one of the highest winrates among the popular champions... IN MASTER+! Is something I'd call quite problematic!

League of Graphs stats btw...

Saevum4/9/2019, 8:44:07 AM1 votes

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In high elo though (in theory, most games are too clown fiesta unless you're in a region like KR),

ChargeItDownMid4/9/2019, 9:35:11 AM1 votes

That is highly misleading. While zed isn’t seen as being as big of a problem in high elo, he is still seen as a major problem. He has a very high ban rate across all divisions. In high elo, there are more broken champions who require bans more but zed is still amoung the top echilon. He isn’t the most problematic champion like he is in lower brackets but he is still a fairly large problem.