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i feel this New Mordekaiser will be harder to Balance than any of his previous forms. Good luck Riot

OmegaTree119·8/25/2015, 4:48:46 PM·88 votes·4,042 views

Mordekaiser is sitting at the lowest win rate of every Solo lane, but at the same time the highest of the Bot lane. I'm still confused on how Ranged champions are getting beat by a Melee champion. On paper it doesn't make any since in the slightest. And who the hell his taking him Support?! Can someone explain how they think that's suppose to work?

I can't think of a way that Riot can buff the Solo lane without buffing Duo. But I predict it will end up like Ryze. People say he's too weak. Riot buffs and breaks the shit out of him. People say he's too strong. Riot nerfs. No one ever complains about him again.

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Koldheartedjsp8/25/2015, 5:16:09 PM24 votes

imo it actually does make a little bit of sense he'd have such a high winrate bot lane

Mordes always been a champion that will utterly shitstomp you if you're ahead even a slight amount (more so than alot of champions). With the xp boost, he's guaranteed to always be ahead of the bottom lane

Get ahead>stay ahead>make opposing laners useless

Auryiel8/25/2015, 9:05:36 PM10 votes

Morde's W has ungodly amounts of base damage when used correctly

If he goes bot with a support that can use said W, he'll wreck everything

That + the exp boost and the easy shield gain from his E hitting 2 champs makes him blatantly overpowered bot

SpecterVonBaren8/26/2015, 6:23:47 AM9 votes

Huh, a CertainlyT designed kit is going to be hard to balance?

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz64/Kemisz86/Waht20a20twist.jpg

toonpang8/25/2015, 5:20:46 PM5 votes

I can't think of a way that Riot can buff the Solo lane without buffing Duo

the reason why his duo winrate is so high is people maxing W first. http://champion.gg/champion/Mordekaiser/ADC

So what we need to do is nerf W's duo lane benefits, but allow Mordekaiser to cast it on himself, along with a few other small tweaks.

This will be a buff to his solo lane, and a nerf to his duo lane.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dVLUzwzA-mordes-bot-winrate-is-too-high-his-midtop-winrate-is-way-too-low-i-have-the-solutions

Mordekaiser

Saianna8/25/2015, 6:42:37 PM3 votes

I'm guessing Riot will stop with "we'll balance Morde eventually".

They'll just nerf him few times, maybe buff his ultimate on maxed rank by 4 damage and done.

Then CertainlyTrash will move onto next target to ruin it completely, Riot will once again cover their ear&eye-holes and act like nothing bad happens. . . . . . . . . Thnk god there are other MOBAs...

Totalis8/26/2015, 5:57:04 AM2 votes

You're confused why ranged champions are losing to a melee in ranged in bot lane? well its cause they've nerfed early game lane bullies like lucian and graves, and mord is really really strong at all stages of the game.

Matezoide8/25/2015, 9:48:14 PM2 votes

There is no way current Mordekaiser can be balanced Bot. He will either be useless or broken OP due to how his new kit works.

You can not balance a champion around being a ball of stats that exists solely to out-level the other guy. He needs to revert back to his 5.15 self until he can get a proper rework.

Zhire8/26/2015, 5:31:46 AM2 votes

so mord can has a dragon and graves cant has duh cigar

junglerboy168/25/2015, 7:50:03 PM2 votes

It makes perfect sense that he can beat ranged lanes. They gave him a huge heal on a low cooldown with no health cost, on top of his shield which combined literally nullifies poke in bot lane, and the fact that you cannot fight him in melee range (unless you have some way of not getting half-lifed by Q) means junglers have a nightmare ganking him.

He is set up in every way to dominate bot lane, from his all in potential (and his guaranteed lvl advantage making his all in even more reliable), to his dragon control (he can solo it insanely early with just a revolver) to the fact that he is extremely hard to gank without more than just the jungler. In a solo lane, the buffs that make him so powerful bot lane (impressive sustain, anti-poke shield, dragon control, exp bonus) are irrelevant, the only real buff being his Q, and most solo laners worth their salt are either never in range of it to begin with or have means of getting out of dodge if he activates it.

Jbels8/25/2015, 5:15:28 PM2 votes

He's a low elo stomper, he sucks in high elo

Daxterr8/27/2015, 10:50:26 AM1 votes

I think Riot should continue to absolutely butcher mordekaiser every patch until we get something that we all like.

Vhalthoria8/25/2015, 6:40:32 PM1 votes

I think the reason behind it is the artificial advantage his W passive gives him and the endless amount of lv2 chesse! he is getting lately. From there is an infernal Snowball.

AMYS GRAVE8/25/2015, 10:18:38 PM1 votes

I can't think of a way that Riot can buff the Solo lane without buffing Duo.

A rioter (RiotScruffy) has already commented on this. This even made Surrender@20 red post collection.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/xAQNiqjw-i-never-wanted-a-champion-rework-to-fail-but?comment=002200020000000200000000000000050002

doombotMECHA8/26/2015, 12:08:11 AM1 votes

so are you sayign that...this isn't even his final form?

KoKoboto8/26/2015, 2:20:02 AM1 votes

Yeah the W grants shield to deny range poke and heals The E altho it is alot less damage is useful for tanking poke 15% maximum shield on 2 people which means Morde is able to farm quite well

SEKAI8/26/2015, 2:25:39 AM1 votes

i feel this New Mordekaiser will be harder to Balance than any of his previous forms.

What if I told you, that has been the objective all along?

Just so they can gut him legally and ditch his body in the trash bin?

Riot probably doesn't hate him, they just don't know what to do with him. While on the other hand, CertainlyT seems to just outright despises him and has surely poured this bias into the rework process for whatever reason. Sad aye.

MasqureMan8/26/2015, 4:47:19 AM1 votes

Step 1: Don't die to Morde Step 2: Gank Morde (if this fails, refer to Step 1) Step 3: Enjoy not having a super fed Morde, which will be much easier to deal with in mid-game and teamfights

I is Illiterate8/26/2015, 8:08:00 AM1 votes

Yeah, bot lane Mord will be hard to balance, especially since so many people build so many different things on him.

Suibun8/26/2015, 1:37:04 PM1 votes

He's still Mordekaiser, folks, just now he doubles down on punishing folks for not keeping key objectives (see: dragon) under control.

He still pushes really hard and is vulnerable to ganks and roams, especially early. He still has no reliable way of getting on top of someone without outside assistance (Heya Leona!). His passive still makes him want to push to keep from being harassed too heavily, again leaving him very vulnerable to ganks, especially early. If you're getting nuked by his Q damage, you've probably done something wrong to be sitting next to him while he gets three autos off considering his attackspeed is relatively low unless he specifically builds that. Oh, and did I mention he's very weak to early ganks because he just loves to shove in?

FrozenXylaphone8/26/2015, 6:34:09 PM1 votes

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I'm still confused on how Ranged champions are getting beat by a Melee champion. On paper it doesn't make any since in the slightest. And who the hell his taking him Support?! Can someone explain how they think that's suppose to work?

It actually makes a ton of sense. ADC is the role that scales most with items and early game they don't have these items. Morde traditionally is an APC meaning that he scales on levels and items secondary. Now Morde will always be a level ahead unless he gets killed and he will hit level 6 when the enemies are level 4 or level 5. 1 level ahead is actually huge! That is one more level of base stats + rank in a skill. If you been doing good you actually are two levels ahead. Hitting 6 first is also huge especially when your ultimate is a kill spell that has traditionally been used to kill wait for it...adcs and use them to kill their own towers. So basically you go for a kill lane and wombo them when you hit 6 (which is way before they do) unless you can kill them before. Then their tower dies unless jungler comes to help.

I mean, season 1 when I barely had any experience playing I would take Morde bot and jump the adc with ult and ignite and get a kill. Now they basically give you this for free and encourage you to play this way. That is, you could make it work before the rework as level 6 Morde vs. level 6 ADC; but now you are level 6 Morde vs level 5 adc or level 4 adc. Wait, maybe they won't let you jump them when you turn level 6. Ok. When they get 6 you are level 7.