i feel this New Mordekaiser will be harder to Balance than any of his previous forms. Good luck Riot

OmegaTree119·Aug 25, 2015·88 votes·4,042 views

Mordekaiser is sitting at the lowest win rate of every Solo lane, but at the same time the highest of the Bot lane. I'm still confused on how Ranged champions are getting beat by a Melee champion. On paper it doesn't make any since in the slightest. And who the hell his taking him Support?! Can someone explain how they think that's suppose to work?

I can't think of a way that Riot can buff the Solo lane without buffing Duo. But I predict it will end up like Ryze. ~~People say he's too weak.~~ Riot buffs and breaks the shit out of him. People say he's too strong. Riot nerfs. No one ever complains about him again.

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KoldheartedjspAug 25, 201524 votes

imo it actually does make a little bit of sense he'd have such a high winrate bot lane

Mordes always been a champion that will utterly shitstomp you if you're ahead even a slight amount (more so than alot of champions). With the xp boost, he's guaranteed to always be ahead of the bottom lane

Get ahead>stay ahead>make opposing laners useless

OmegaTree119Aug 25, 20156 votes

Good point. I just would think it would be easy to poke the giant metal man who has no MS nor CC.

ks916Aug 25, 20152 votes

If you look past Diamond or so his bot lane winrate isn't great. I think it has to do with people in lower divisions not knowing how to kite him out effectively. (The post I saw on bot lane morde win rate in said in challenger and masters he has barley a 40% winrate).

A Miss FortuneAug 26, 20154 votes

You deserve to die to Mordekaiser if you can't kite him. Even his MS buff is pretty situational and not that good.

KingKong2350Aug 26, 20151 votes

I believe his winrate after the 20 minute mark also begins to fall off pretty hard. Which signifies they've changed nothing about Mord, he is a lane bully. They just made him bully ADCs now

ks916Aug 26, 20151 votes

Yea his win rate after 25 mins does fall of hard, since in team fights u get blown up before you can get on a target, also his Q dmg is huge early , but late game vs tanks your not gonna be doing much, especially since it's pretty hard to get the third Q off, unless you get attack speed in your build, but if you get attack speed than your too squishy and get blown up. His builds blow for late game, first 20-25 mins good, after that not so much.

NarasimhaAug 26, 20153 votes

You are forgetting his passive, which is pretty much THE definition of anti-poke.

GhostOfShrimpmasAug 26, 20158 votes

It takes a lot of poking to do any damage that actually sticks to him. And an adc only needs to fuck up once to take a 35000 damage mace to the dick.

OmegaTree119Aug 26, 20151 votes

I've just been scarred from all the Vayne and Quinn top lane match-ups I've lost to. (I mainly played pre-rework Morde top) Like I just want to auto-attack minions but I get shoot in the face over and over AND OVER!! I'M JUST TRYING TO FARM!! AND WHY DO YOU NEED A NUNU GANK TOO DAMNIT!! But seeing how auto-attacking the enemy in lane doesn't have a cost. And that's what you mainly what you do as a ADC. Plus you have a support to help you with the poke.

I would expect a Caitlyn Annie Lane to out right DESTROY a Mordekaiser + whoever lane. Or Vayne + Janna To me all this on paper makes sense. But I could be wrong if anyone wants to tell me how Morde can win these match-ups.

GhostOfShrimpmasAug 26, 20151 votes

Janna probably would be a great counter to Morde. Morde really needs a support with some strong CC or mobility buffs. If he has, say, a Thresh Leona Braum in lane with him, as soon as you get hit by a CC, you're going to take a lot of damage, and then a 72000 damage mace to the dick.

And double relic shield works wonders for making Morde and his support tough enough to survive the first couple levels.

sreggadAug 26, 20151 votes

what the metal man does is punishes the enemy team hard early with his W and a gap closing support like Leona or Naut. He can do that level 1 and do a nice chunk of damage and then heal a decent amount from it's second part.

AuryielAug 25, 201510 votes

Morde's W has ungodly amounts of base damage when used correctly

If he goes bot with a support that can use said W, he'll wreck everything

That + the exp boost and the easy shield gain from his E hitting 2 champs makes him blatantly overpowered bot

doombotMECHAAug 26, 20152 votes

don't forget the sustain. whenever you force off the enemy adc due to having a tanky supp like leona, you w and get back all of the health you lost. you have 1 (one) bar you can't recover between the two of you.

SpecterVonBarenAug 26, 20159 votes

Huh, a CertainlyT designed kit is going to be hard to balance?

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz64/Kemisz86/Waht20a20twist.jpg

SEKAIAug 26, 20158 votes

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Huh, a CertainlyT designed kit is going to be hard to balance?

Funny thing is that, he always try as hard as he can to make his champs as broken as possible,

Then when he is given a rework, he does it by giving it nothing, as well as ripping out everything that was originally there, then he gives Morde a dragon pet so it wouldn't seem too obvious.

CertainlyT is like one of those birds that lay eggs in another's nest, while kicking out the nest owner's actual children/eggs to their death in order to make sure the unfortunate mother/father would only feed and take care of the child that isn't theirs.

This is CertainlyT.

Pool Party NasusAug 26, 20151 votes

That's pretty metal actualy

Rain NTAug 26, 20151 votes

Humor haha

SinlaireAug 27, 20152 votes

that bird is called a cuckoo by the way.

someone please check for irony, my compass doesnt point north.

toonpangAug 25, 20155 votes

I can't think of a way that Riot can buff the Solo lane without buffing Duo

the reason why his duo winrate is so high is people maxing W first. http://champion.gg/champion/Mordekaiser/ADC

So what we need to do is nerf W's duo lane benefits, but allow Mordekaiser to cast it on himself, along with a few other small tweaks.

This will be a buff to his solo lane, and a nerf to his duo lane.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dVLUzwzA-mordes-bot-winrate-is-too-high-his-midtop-winrate-is-way-too-low-i-have-the-solutions

Mordekaiser

OmegaTree119Aug 25, 20152 votes

I don't want them to remove the XP gain because I think that's the only benefit to taking him duo. If they do bring his W back for him to self cast I'm sure they're gonna give him the health cost again.

toonpangAug 25, 20153 votes

I don't want them to remove the XP gain because I think that's the only benefit to taking him duo

A manaless, spammable, two-person heal isn't a benefit to duo laning?

Even Soraka, heal bot extraordinaire, has to pay a Health cost and Mana cost for her heal to an ally.

OmegaTree119Aug 26, 20151 votes

If you go off that logic wouldn't Vladimir be a good pick in bot lane also?

Edit: Or Yasuo? A Yasuo + Bruam bot lane seems like it would be good with all Yasuo's moblity. And Bruam's Knock-up. And double poke Shield! This seems like a great idea. ._,

LankPantsAug 26, 20151 votes

If you go off that logic wouldn't Vladimir be a good pick in bot lane also?

The difference is that Mord can heal both himself and his partner.

Edit: Or Yasuo? A Yasuo + Bruam bot lane seems like it would be good with all Yasuo's moblity. And Bruam's Knock-up. And double poke Shield! This seems like a great idea. ._,

That's some damn fine Gouda.

toonpangAug 26, 20151 votes

Morde has much better range with his damage, and he has the W passive/heal also. Vlad doesn't have these things.

And the point of taking Morde bot is that he can still be used to siege towers, like a normal ADC with use of ghosts.

Yasuo would work in bot in theory, because it was designed to, like Morde does. But he doesn't have the numbers for it now.

SaiannaAug 25, 20153 votes

I'm guessing Riot will stop with "we'll balance Morde eventually".

They'll just nerf him few times, maybe buff his ultimate on maxed rank by 4 damage and done.

Then CertainlyTrash will move onto next target to ruin it completely, Riot will once again cover their ear&eye-holes and act like nothing bad happens. . . . . . . . . Thnk god there are other MOBAs...

JbelsAug 25, 20152 votes

He's a low elo stomper, he sucks in high elo

Fear PopoAug 26, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPD5q6DC43M

junglerboy16Aug 25, 20152 votes

It makes perfect sense that he can beat ranged lanes. They gave him a huge heal on a low cooldown with no health cost, on top of his shield which combined literally nullifies poke in bot lane, and the fact that you cannot fight him in melee range (unless you have some way of not getting half-lifed by Q) means junglers have a nightmare ganking him.

He is set up in every way to dominate bot lane, from his all in potential (and his guaranteed lvl advantage making his all in even more reliable), to his dragon control (he can solo it insanely early with just a revolver) to the fact that he is extremely hard to gank without more than just the jungler. In a solo lane, the buffs that make him so powerful bot lane (impressive sustain, anti-poke shield, dragon control, exp bonus) are irrelevant, the only real buff being his Q, and most solo laners worth their salt are either never in range of it to begin with or have means of getting out of dodge if he activates it.

doombotMECHAAug 26, 20151 votes

honestly, the counterplay to bot morde is "ignore him. kill his supp" he gets so much worse without his supp, he has to farm under turret and even that he can't do well.

NilokAug 26, 20151 votes

What is said support is Leona, Blitz, or Nautilus. Killing the support may be a might bit harder then.

junglerboy16Aug 26, 20151 votes

Yeah, that is the way to counter Morde, but that also has the same negative affect on most carries.

Morde may feel the pain of losing his support more acutely than most, but not enough to make his duo lane bad.

Maybe if people got really good at slaughtering his support repeatedly and ignoring him that could work, but until then, he's going to be really binary as a king of bot lane and a wimp in solo lanes.

MatezoideAug 25, 20152 votes

There is no way current Mordekaiser can be balanced Bot. He will either be useless or broken OP due to how his new kit works.

You can not balance a champion around being a ball of stats that exists solely to out-level the other guy. He needs to revert back to his 5.15 self until he can get a proper rework.

ZhireAug 26, 20152 votes

so mord can has a dragon and graves cant has duh cigar

TotalisAug 26, 20152 votes

You're confused why ranged champions are losing to a melee in ranged in bot lane? well its cause they've nerfed early game lane bullies like lucian and graves, and mord is really really strong at all stages of the game.

OmegaTree119Aug 26, 20151 votes

I would think it to be easy for ADC mains to kite him. Being ranged and all. I've been up against a lot ranged match-up in top lane as Mordekaiser. So I assumed that ADC bot would be better at it. Judging by his winrate I guess not.

Edit: Like when he goes to CS you can just shoot him in the face. And when he try's to walk up to trade or Q you just walk away. I mean it sounds simple.

VhalthoriaAug 25, 20151 votes

I think the reason behind it is the artificial advantage his W passive gives him and the endless amount of lv2 chesse! he is getting lately. From there is an infernal Snowball.

AMYS GRAVEAug 25, 20151 votes

I can't think of a way that Riot can buff the Solo lane without buffing Duo.

A rioter (RiotScruffy) has already commented on this. This even made Surrender@20 red post collection.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/xAQNiqjw-i-never-wanted-a-champion-rework-to-fail-but?comment=002200020000000200000000000000050002

doombotMECHAAug 26, 20151 votes

so are you sayign that...this isn't even his final form?

KoKobotoAug 26, 20151 votes

Yeah the W grants shield to deny range poke and heals The E altho it is alot less damage is useful for tanking poke 15% maximum shield on 2 people which means Morde is able to farm quite well

SEKAIAug 26, 20151 votes

i feel this New Mordekaiser will be harder to Balance than any of his previous forms.

What if I told you, that has been the objective all along?

Just so they can gut him legally and ditch his body in the trash bin?

Riot probably doesn't hate him, they just don't know what to do with him. While on the other hand, CertainlyT seems to just outright despises him and has surely poured this bias into the rework process for whatever reason. Sad aye.

MasqureManAug 26, 20151 votes

Step 1: Don't die to Morde Step 2: Gank Morde (if this fails, refer to Step 1) Step 3: Enjoy not having a super fed Morde, which will be much easier to deal with in mid-game and teamfights

I is IlliterateAug 26, 20151 votes

Yeah, bot lane Mord will be hard to balance, especially since so many people build so many different things on him.

SuibunAug 26, 20151 votes

He's still Mordekaiser, folks, just now he doubles down on punishing folks for not keeping key objectives (see: dragon) under control.

He still pushes really hard and is vulnerable to ganks and roams, especially early. He still has no reliable way of getting on top of someone without outside assistance (Heya Leona!). His passive still makes him want to push to keep from being harassed too heavily, again leaving him very vulnerable to ganks, especially early. If you're getting nuked by his Q damage, you've probably done something wrong to be sitting next to him while he gets three autos off considering his attackspeed is relatively low unless he specifically builds that. Oh, and did I mention he's very weak to early ganks because he just loves to shove in?

FrozenXylaphoneAug 26, 20151 votes

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I'm still confused on how Ranged champions are getting beat by a Melee champion. On paper it doesn't make any since in the slightest. And who the hell his taking him Support?! Can someone explain how they think that's suppose to work?

It actually makes a ton of sense. ADC is the role that scales most with items and early game they don't have these items. Morde traditionally is an APC meaning that he scales on levels and items secondary. Now Morde will always be a level ahead unless he gets killed and he will hit level 6 when the enemies are level 4 or level 5. 1 level ahead is actually huge! That is one more level of base stats + rank in a skill. If you been doing good you actually are two levels ahead. Hitting 6 first is also huge especially when your ultimate is a kill spell that has traditionally been used to kill wait for it...adcs and use them to kill their own towers. So basically you go for a kill lane and wombo them when you hit 6 (which is way before they do) unless you can kill them before. Then their tower dies unless jungler comes to help.

I mean, season 1 when I barely had any experience playing I would take Morde bot and jump the adc with ult and ignite and get a kill. Now they basically give you this for free and encourage you to play this way. That is, you could make it work before the rework as level 6 Morde vs. level 6 ADC; but now you are level 6 Morde vs level 5 adc or level 4 adc. Wait, maybe they won't let you jump them when you turn level 6. Ok. When they get 6 you are level 7.