Jungle Mains help plz

The One Eye King·5/22/2016, 2:55:03 AM·2 votes·2,315 views

So I'm an adc main but overtime I've started to like Jungling. But now I don't adc as much because dynamic queue premades always get bot so I never really get it. But every time I play jungle people are losing lane and dying 7 times before 13 mins.... and because I play a lot of junglers who don't shine until lvl 6, the other team destroyed my team in lane hard... Just not to long ago I was playing a game as Malphite jungle and every lane was losing bad but top and they all cryed for ganks but it was like 3 mins in the game and I didn't even know what to do and I started playing really bad as well.. any tips on what I should do for games like that? [zombie-nunu-tears]

11 Comments

DrathTurtle3145/22/2016, 3:35:18 AM3 votes

Not a jungle main anymore, S5 I was but now I'm more into the support role.

Play your champion. If you're playing shyvana or nunu, you live in the jungle. There is no enemy jungle there is only your jungle and if the enemy tries to challenge that fact you kill them. in cold blood, you may not gank as much, but the enemy will be forced to facecheck you in your jungle or try a couple lane ganks. If you're playing WW or Malphite, you can get away with some early hard farm, but once you get access to some cc it wouldn't be a bad Idea to start ganking. If you're playing amumu or zac, you can gank as early as lvl 2-3 and probably should because while they clear decently, they've got great early gank potential and should apply pressure whenever possible.

Also, adapt your playstyle. If I'm playing fiddlesticks I can choose to lvl my fear or my drain first. Fear first if I plan to gank pre-6 and more frequently post-6 or drain first if I'm going to hard farm and act like nunu. This can change game to game.

Some champs are more gankable than others. For example if I see a kassadin on the enemy team he will be down 0-5 by the time he hits 6 because you can bet I'm going to pitch a tent and paint it red with his blood. If I see a heimerdinger, I won't touch that lane unless I'm zac and my laner is Yasuo(lvl 6 or higher) and I know I can survive the turrets(I've done this and 9/10 times my passive popped to those damn turrets and 1/10 I died).

Lastly, recognize what you can and can't do. If a lane is 0-1 with a 20 CS disadvantage, that is salvageable for most hard farm junglers w/ a lvl 6 spike. if a lane is 0-5 and down 100 CS that laner isn't worth much gold and the most you should be doing is making sure that their inner turret stays up until you start team fighting.

Exceptions apply.

Valexfor5/22/2016, 3:45:57 AM2 votes

Not really experienced with Malph, but as a (former) jungle main (always get supp now >>) I can tell you he's got potential to gank pre-6: you do need some other cc from the lane, but you can apply pressure by yourself even if they lack it (won't get a kill, but a good chunk of hp is pretty standard usually). I know this since I play mostly WW and Nocturne in jungle (and both can't do shit before they get to level 6, really), but if the lane is pushed enough and the laners have some good cc, even a WW can do a level 3 gank (probably won't get a kill, but will force a recall). That said: with weak team comps (or team comps with few hard cc) try to play heavy utility junglers like amumu, maokai, gragas, shaco: champs that can gank fine even before level 6 and have strong ganks through the whole game, with these comps you usually will not be able to win lane early, so the pressure is on the jungler to do something and if he can't gank, it's pretty much a lost game. On the other hand with strong early game champs or with comps with high cc you can freely pick a level 6 jungler, they usually have pretty awesome ganks that only need a small follow up to do the job and since your laners are supposedly strong, they can hold untill you're ready to go and can follow yo uwhen you go in. I've had people ask for ganks when I was at red, so before even minute 3, with WW so I know what you mean, sometimes people just want you to win the lane for them: don't gank those lanes, they will waste your time and will get you often killed. Also with junglers like WW or Nocturne, especially if your mid laner is a mobile and bursty champ (like an assassin) you might want to focus ganking mid, since a fed, roaming mid laner can be quite scary and can gank when you're not (letting you get some deserved farm) or help your ganks, also since WW type junglers are quite weak against two or more opponents and top laners are hard to kill, so you will hardly snowball off of them, mid lane is the best choice to gank. If you have a strong aoe gank jungler (amumu post-6, gragas post-6, hecarim post-6, really any jungler with an aoe hard cc) try to focus on bot lane since you will easily get a double and a free dragon, which can be enough to win you the game if it's a fire/ocean drake and the adc took both kills (unless he was behind by a lot).

This aren't iron rules (I'm a former jungle main, I hardly play the role anymore so I'm just telling you what my conclusions are now that I finally understand the game better), they are just my tips: a strong early ganker (especially a diver) into a strong early team comp can snowball the game so hard the enemy will be behind by 2-3 levels at the end, while a level 6 ganker into a late-game team (if the team can hold untill you get to your powerspike) can controll the whole map alone, and I'm not joking: a WW type jungler, if left alone, can easily destroy the enemy jungler even if he's a bit ahead, securing objectives and preventing ganks all by himself and also gank lanes with a good chance of success if he's got nothing else to do.

Obviously this takes into account that your team is skilled enough to play at least at the same level of the enemy team, but you can't control how your teammates play so you have to focus only on yourself ^^. P.s. sorry if my english is bad, it's not my main language and it's kinda late xD.

ff4sk5/22/2016, 4:01:36 AM2 votes

If your team is already feeding 3 minutes into the game that's their own fault. Not everybody can play early game junglers and that's fine, your team should have realized you wouldn't be able to gank til later on and played it safe but it seems like they're idiots.

I suggest getting back into adc, jungling is a fun role but honestly with how much bullshit junglers have to deal with it isn't worth playing. Biggest reason why I switched to playing top is because I got sick and tired of constantly getting shit talked by premades or feeders

Friendly Ram5/22/2016, 3:01:24 AM1 votes

get items and then gank. with people like rango and ww you can't really gank well pre 6. try some amumu or gragas for some pre 6 ganks. also tell your lanes to play safe and you'll come gank, even playing ww if the enemy is pushed up to tower you can generally come into lane and at least relieve some pressure. if they refuse to play safe just try to get enough gold or free up other lanes to assist you in ganks. Also for malph your Q is quite good at keeping an enemy in danger with two points in it you can generally gank pretty well.

foinhas5/22/2016, 3:11:59 AM1 votes

Practice a lot in customs ans co-op to have a better understanding of how your champion behaves. Sometimes you may think the champion can only gank at level 6, but in reality he's able to do it much sooner. Malph, for example is an awesome ganker even before level 6: His Q deals lost of damage and the slow allows you laner to follow in yor gank. Spam lots of games and see how your champion behaves at each level.

Jungling doesn't automaticaly mean "kills for your laners". It means "putting preassure on your enemies". If your laner is behind in cs, you can zone his enemie in order for him to have some room to breath.

Then, you have to watch for objectives: Bot lane is very important (and the one that sees more action, in my experience) since it can give you access to a free drake

In For It Now5/22/2016, 3:41:56 AM1 votes

As a jungler, you have a bit more responsibility for controlling the game early on than an ADC does. You have to make choices. Sometimes those choices will be unpopular at first, but will increase morale later. In that situation, I would likely ignore the feeding lanes and camp the lane of the teammate who is playing well. Together you can carry the team through mid game and your teammates can catch up. They will cheer up as they see the team doing better. Make sure to keep a positive attitude and to say positive things to your teammates so their attitudes can improve and they can come back. Remember that psychology has a big effect on performance, and as a jungler you have a unique opportunity to provide leadership early on.