It would be really significant by itself but the compensation buff to her Q CD is pretty huge, and since Rivens often reach 40% CDR, she's just gonna be Q-ing all over the place now. I hope the E nerf will outweigh it but only time will tell I guess
Her E is a shield and a dash her Q on the other hand is a auto attack reset aaaaaand deals a shiet ton of damage
I feel like her win rate is going to increase overall
Not only is it gonna do nothing It will amplify the cancer Conqueror gets nerfed but as long as that rune is in the game, Riven will be too
There's old wise chineese saying for that:
"nerfed champs don't sell skins"
Riot took this saying as their daily balancing motto whenever there's posterboy/girl to balance.
I actually believe this will be a noticeable nerf for lower elo Rivens. The nerf on her e will be felt a lot, as it will end up being a 2.4s nerf at 40% cdr. As for the q part, I don't really think it will compensate, as she is supposed to use a charge every x seconds. It won't change the way she uses q, but it will penalize players who cannot use the e to its maximum capacities.
Can you explain me how can 1 sec cd buff on Q at lvl 1 compensate 4 sec cd nerf on E? It seems to me you are dragging a late game stat into early game to prove you point.
It won't, it's a blatant slap in the face. Here we'll lower her shield up time but give her mobility so it won't matter. She will still kite in and out of the fight and take little to no damage anyways now that her mobility is up more often and she has no resources to manage. Not to mention she rushes early CDR making it negligible nerf to her early game...
Good Riven players know how to time their Q in order to have it up already, they won't benefit much from the Q buff. Bad Riven players will benefit from the Q buff for sure.
This hits her synergy with Death’s Dance pretty hard, I think. The Q buff only seems useful to players who either don’t weave autos or who have mastered the fast combo, which means only first-time Rivens and experienced high elo Rivens will benefit. Those of us playing against mid-ranked experienced Rivens will find she is markedly weaker, I believe.
I just love the way they say it makes her "more manageable" Like a broken pile of cancer jumping on top of you even more often means being able to "punish" her more. She will take more damage, sure, but she will also deal her normal amount of damage (which is already absurdly high) even more often. and you won't be able to punish her off time anymore as she will no longer have any. Poke her out? Nope, she has her triple dash up permanently! LOL
The devs didn't want to give Riven an overall nerf. They wanted to adjust her power.
With the nerf to Conquerer and a significant reduction in shield uptime, Riven will have less sustain than she had before. She will have a bit more mobility and damage, but much less effective health. Bad trades will be more punishing for her, and aggressive, ranged opponents will have an easier time dealing with her.
Even at max CDR, the difference between a 3.6 second cooldown on her E and a 6 second cooldown is pretty massive, and far greater than the difference between a 7.8 second cooldown on her Q now, and the 6 second cooldown it will be after these changes (with max CDR).
48% winrate now. So I think you might be wrong.
I feel like you don't understand how massive the conq nerf + shield nerf are... 20% off of conqs overall power is a pretty big nerf to her sustain alone, and then you have her e being alot longer of a CD. I get that you didn't think before posting this, but please look at the numbers first, the Q buff does not help her sustain which is where the problem is, and it just got hit pretty hard.
This is literally going to nerf her really hard. She has more opportunities to get punished in teamfights, but moreso, she can't win lane into almost every matchup anymore, she's gonna to lose 75% of matchups toplane and have to give up a majority of the farm which might make her get buffs in a patch or 2.
I think it will make Bad Rivens Feed more (Less Ops Shield) and Good Rivens get More Kills (More Damage)
Honestly the worst part when playing against Riven is both her Q AND E, not just E I get incredibly annoyed when she jumps around a thousand times, knocks me up a bunch of times, stuns me and does a ton of damage for apparently jumping around aimlessly either make knock ups in general lower with tenacity or boots or just don't compensate Riven, she shouldn't be blind pickable, she is suppose to be high skill-high reward champion but instead I feel like all she does is spam Q and kill me
It will help Malphite lane vs her a little better since he now might be able to hit her with every second q. He will need some mana items first though since he can only use it 4 times before he is completly out of mana......
Sometimes I wonder why using such a simple ability only 4 times uses all of your mana while you have all of these mana less champions spamming abilities all over the place like gnar, aatrox, riven, or kled. Aatrox q is way more powerful than malphite q and it is spammable with no cost :/
She was already using Q all over the place, at least now she won't necessarily have a 0 downtime AD scaling shield.
At least now you can actually damage if 3 of your teammates manage to chain-cc her.
They've also nerfed conqueror a bit. So she received 2 nerfs and only one compensation buff, I fell like this might be alright. And you seriously underestimate the E nerf. In my experience, her constantly available E, even at rank 1, is part of the reason she is so BS in lane. She can dodge or absorb a ton of harass because of it, So even other lane bullies have trouble dealing with her. I'd say, let's wait and see before casting judgement on literally the first day of the new patch.
It will accomplish what Rot intended it to do, which is decrease the frequency of her shield.
Doesn't matter in lower ELO, only in places where people know how to play the game https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=galaxyburstz
Less Shield, more damage and more dashes, therefore more mobile,
It'll be easier to kill her in a fight, but it will be harder to catch her
As a riven main, can't wait to start maxing my W second and have people complain about my damage
