Garen's Ultimate very unreliable

Maces·9/7/2018, 4:26:28 PM·2 votes·1,487 views

Hello!

Not a new problem - Garen's ultimate has a rather long delay/cast time/animation and can be dodged by either a movement ability (simply dash out of range), loosing LOS (stealth/bush) or "simply" killing Garen in time. This happens more by chance than anything else, but can also be done consciously if you have the reflexes for it.

Garen is a very unique and fun to play champion and he sure as hell doesnt need any buffs, but this delay is rather frustrating since this abillity is a targetable execution move with a rather long cooldown (which, granted, gets refunded but thats not the point).

I would love for it to be changed - either make it uninterruptible and nerf its damage a little or rework the mechanics alltogether.

Do you agree? what are your thoughts?

Thanks for reading.

19 Comments

Boatwhistle9/7/2018, 4:35:35 PM3 votes

The delay exists to allow for counter play. Gives time for heals, shields, and some other more slick means to avoid it. Its a point and click that deals big true damage to what ever enemy is strongest on top of the bonus true damage from its passive he will use to get them low enough to get max effectiveness from the ult. Garens R is strong and doesn't need counter play reduction any more then the amount it already mitigates.

Dracocrash9/7/2018, 4:32:14 PM3 votes

I don't think garen is a very "unique" champion. Garen's ultimate is honestly fine as it is. It's a point and click execute, with a lot of damage. Garen already lacks counterplay in lane vs melee, having this tiny weakness on his ult is good.

Also, can you show me a recording where you started casting ult but someone interrupted it by flashing away? shouldn't be to hard with leagues new system

Critmaster Garen9/7/2018, 6:08:30 PM2 votes

its not supposed to cancel when people move out of range. if it did, it bugged out again.

once the animation starts, the only way to interrupt it should be when you kill garen during the animation. this isnt much of a problem imo, since its consistent with other similar abilities.

for example lux laser cant be interrupted either, unless she dies during the animation.

once upon a time, garens ult used to be a 0.5 second channel if i remember this right. that was really nasty back then, because it would just get canceled by everything and go on full cooldown.

BeatzBoyFTW9/7/2018, 4:32:53 PM2 votes

He's fine...

Doge20209/7/2018, 6:46:24 PM1 votes

I have never seen my ult as Garen cancel when they enemy gets into a brush/fog of war. And I think as long as the target was in range of your r cast area when you casted it, the execute will happen if they get out of range. There has been a few times where I would cast r on my enemy laner and he/she would use a dash when I casted it and the execute would still hit them.

Vonyalo9/7/2018, 6:57:05 PM1 votes

I think his ult is fine. It only frustrates me when I try to R Akali and she uses her shroud :\

Player479/7/2018, 5:31:53 PM1 votes

Garen main here. I think he is fine as he is right now maybe even a bit too powerful. His ult needs the short delay its already one of the best ultimates in the game. And deals massive damage and is point and click. Its fine as it is and he is fine as he is.

HommeGoujon9/7/2018, 5:58:25 PM1 votes

IF you Q before R, don't u just annihilate any chance of couterplay? I've been killed many times like this Flash>Silenced>Dead

Manes Shade9/7/2018, 6:21:25 PM1 votes

I think its a gimmicky Ultimate myself and I really do think it needs replaced. I would Like to make my case for it clearly.

Demacian Justice Range 400 (Basic attack is 175 range) CD 120/100/80 ~ 45 seconds cool down if item CD is used. Damage 175/350.525 + 28.6%/33.3%/40% of targets missing health True damage On the villain.

Meaning My basic Q(150+40%AD+Trinity Force 200%AD so~800 damage a hit with my build) is better than My ultimate 99% of the time, Even against Low Health Squishies and If I can reach them with my ultimate I will most likely be able to hit them with my Q or even basic attack them to kill them.

Guys Unless the opponent is sitting at 15% HP Garen's Ultimate Is complete and utter trash that just wastes his time while the opponent gets out to safety.

Almost every other Top Lane player has a better execute in comparison To It.

Cho'Gath's Literally does 1000 True damage No Gimicks is instant and will keep growing more powerful from successful uses and it Starts at 80 seconds to cooldown.

Urgots Is a skill shot with a straight up Execute at 25% HP(Which is better than Garen's)

Darius Is an almost always hit Skill shot with Less Channeling time, Always True damage, 60 longer range than Garen's, AND it can be recast IF he kills a target. The damage is also always constant to be atleast 500 damage at skill level 1, Which blows Demacian justice away at level 1.

Camilles Ultimate Max level Will Literally deal 48% of your hp, in 4 seconds alone (Assuming attack speed of 1.5).

Mundo gets a 100% heal every 50 Seconds.

Illoi's Ultimate is literally Godly damage sitting at about 4-7k damage I have even seen it hit around 10k damage in one go. (Not that anyone survives that long in it)

My point is, Gerrens Ultimate is super situational, and almost never as good as just basic attacking, which he can almost never even land because every one elses movement is literally like a national champion long distance runner who got ahold of some speed.(Drugs are bad ok.) OR they are so stun heavy that it is not even worth trying to reach them.

Legit If all they kept was the Q and W and reworked Garens E R and Passive, I could not be mad. I want to explain something else, The only viable way to deal damage with Garen is to use Q alongside Trinity force. Nothing else you do will ever deal damage and taht is a 5 second cooldown, Legit Most fights are over in 2 seconds. You guys are playing against a champion Who has to use One skill to damage you. That is why he does not have mana, Because if he had a drawback like that he would be Unplayable.

In ending Garens Ultimate is Not very Unreliable, It is reliably a disappointment to me as I play as him.