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Why the 7.1 Kennen Nerfs Were Unecessary

Yordle Hoardle··4 votes·2,350 views

(This is just a preface, skip for my reasoning) Kennen's ult was nerfed last patch, and as a result his win rate has dropped 4%~ (hovered around 50-51 pre-patch, 47% post patch). First off, I would like to say that these changes aren't crippling. You can still win with Kennen, and I don't think he's necessarily bad right now. However, as much as this is biased in favor of buffing Kennen since he's the only champion I like playing, this is also addressing an overall behavior that I have seen expressed by the balance team, a behavior that suggests a fear of retracting mistakes made through balance changes. Seeing Riot get rid of the disaster of the Kog'Maw rework was a step in the right direction, and although this nerf isn't nearly as severe as the Kog'Maw rework, and honestly I don't think anything comes close to how bad that was, I think taking back a nerf like this shows progress and a step in the right direction. I'm only Diamond 5, but I honestly think I know this character more than 99% of people. My execution of that knowledge could use help, like a lot of help actually, but I think I have a lot of merit in acknowledging what is healthy for this character. I honestly cannot explain how much I love Kennen, playing him has helped me get through some horrible times, and If I got into detail I would probably (understandably) get banned. He's the only reason I play this game, and I don't want to see him fall victim to a series of unneeded rebalances as the result of this nerf.

First off, I want to explain why this nerf hits so hard, and why the attempt to pass it off as "a buff to good Kennen ultimates" is not accurate whatsoever. The change to his ultimate weighted the damage towards the end of his ultimate instead of the front. This seems reasonable, until you realize how "weighted" they actually made it. The damage on his new ultimate is lower until the VERY last tick of his ultimate, which is slightly more, and the early damage is laughable. That means to reap the rewards of this "weighted" ultimate, the enemy team has to sit in your ultimate for three whole seconds. I honestly cannot believe how unrealistic a scenario this is. This rarely ever happens, at least in ranked. Why does this never happen? Well, a big misconception about Kennen is that he is a walking AoE cc instakill machine with no counterplay, and this partly influenced the decision according to the patch notes, where it was reasoned that "he’s pumping out most of his damage before anybody has even had time to run the other way." Is that really the situation? If so, why has his ban rate decreased so much? Why does nobody play him if he can literally ult and kill people before they can react? The truth is that that is a grossly oversimplified summary of his ultimate. I can agree that Kennen's ultimate is fucking terrifying, but there are tons of things that you can do that are meta right now to avoid Kennen's damage or ultimate altogether, even if you get flashed on as an ADC. These things include: QSS, flash, heal, Zhonya's, hexdrinker, Mikaels, GA, picking Caitlyn in champion select, e.t.c. All of these are things that people can and DO use incredibly often to survive Kennen's ultimate. In addition, Hard CC and disengage is incredibly effective. I mean this might seem like a given, but I cant stress how much they render his ultimate useless, as it's considerably short, and his only method of dealing damage is charging straight into the enemy team. Considering how many people play Janna, Lee Sin, and CC tanks right now, getting a good Kennen ultimate off is far from easy in the current meta. Redemption is also very frustrating, but there are ways to work around it. I see people use these things constantly, and it's why Kennen is balanced. His ultimate is amazing, but it's not TOO amazing. Very rarely are you going to get that game winning pentakill Kennen ulti, and if you do, it's almost always because the enemy team made a mistake (squishies overextending onto the frontline, lack of proper warding, getting TP flanked, e.t.c.). So to summarize, Kennen's ultimate is already very balanced and has more counterplay to it than it would seem, so nerfing the damage would be unnecessary. Again, I have to stress how this does NOT reward "good Kennen players" in the slightest. It's a cop out, completely goes against the mechanics of this game and the current meta way of playing Kennen.

Next, I want to cover why this changes his playstyle in a negative way. Remember how I said expecting the enemy team to AFK in your ultimate for three seconds is completely unrealistic and never happens? Well it is, and as a result no one plays Kennen like that. Because Kennen's ultimate is predictable and easy to get out of, good Kennen players are opportunistic, and must look for opportunities to flank the enemy team or look for safe moments to avoid enemy CC and disengage to burst their backline and kill them before they are able to make it out alive. So, in the vast majority of games, you're playing a burst mage/assassin role to try and nuke their backline while they are vulnerable. This is how Kennen is supposed to be played. (Although In some situations, you do want to use your ultimate to peel for your team if you aren't able to burst the enemy backline in situations where they are fed or have too much peel and its unsafe for your team to follow up on your engages, but this happens much less, and generally is only a reality during the mid game.) This is why its so important for your damage to be weighted towards the front of your ultimate. The first three to four ticks are the most vital part of your ultimate when nuking their backline, as if they survive those, they will almost always get out of your ultimate. The nerfs to his damage severely limit this playstyle, as his ultimate's damage is now INCREDIBLY weak compared to his old one, and it's hardly ever viable unless you are in the perfect situation, are building full AP, and are at least somewhat ahead. This completely changes the way you have to play him. You aren't the burst mage anymore, you are now a CC bot that has to make up for the lack of damage by building Rylai's and stacking health and pen items and attempting to have more utility. Building full AP on Kennen is much less viable now because you will never realistically break even on your ultimate's damage anymore. In fact, I've built rab cap ONCE out of every game I've played since the patch. It honestly doesn't feel worth it to build it on him anymore. This obviously isn't horrible or game breaking, but it definitely isn't as fun as old Kennen is. I feel like I can't capitalize on leads anymore, and I never feel like I can get satisfying ults in anymore, even If I do land that seemingly perfect one anymore. It's just so much easier for enemies to get out of your ultimate now, which forces you to build Rylai's basically every single game now. This utility route is clearly not right for him, as dropping 4% in one patch is definitely a warning sign. This change makes Kennen not as fun or rewarding to play, not as good of a champion overall, and feels more laborious than satisfying.

Lastly, I would like to explain why this nerf wasn't necessary. Kennen has not been overtuned for a long time. He had his moment of glory during the LCS series where his pick/ban rate significantly increased, but after his items were nerfed, the hype died down, and he was in a very healthy state. His win rate has hovered around 50~51% at most, and 49% at worst, and it has been like this since season 5, which is when I started keeping track of him. Although win rate isn't the best factor in determining if a champion is overtuned, It still retains some importance in this case. Nothing happened to Kennen that made him OP. No one was complaining about him after the Rylai's + Protobelt nerfs. Meanwhile, there are champions that have been sporting a 53%+ win rate consistently across multiple patches that weren't even scratched this patch. However, Kennen has already been nerfed. Multiple times. Both Rylai's and Protobelt, the items that saw him become so big in the first place, were nerfed. My question is: where is the issue? Why did Riot suddenly decide that his ultimate had no counterplay to it? I know this isn't the strongest point to make, which is why I saved it for last, but I feel like this change was such a waste and the balancing could allocate their time to changing much more 'op' champions, like Twitch and Ziggs who can literally solo carry. Kennen is much too team dependent to solo carry games.

Okay that was super long but I really needed to get that off my chest. I hope someone takes it into consideration. TL;DR Kennen didn't have to be changed, he was already balanced, and nerfing him has made him a worse overall champion.

25 Comments

jpguy9023 votes

Totally agree, everything you said was on point.

Ok sure but why2 votes

it wasn't even a nerf, really

it does more total damage after the last hit, and it's not like it's humanly possible to escape his ult after he instantly stuns you

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

You should probably read what I said before you comment on it.

Brighton2 votes

OP, as a Kennen main I read every wall of text you wrote and do agree with your points as well. How some of you even delude yourselves to calling it a buff cause he can maybe do 40 more damage on perfect scenarios (which I guess happens often if we were against most of you that posted) is hilarious.

My real gripe isn't the fact that they wanted less front load, I could tolerate that. My gripe is that they chose the most frustrating balance route for the Kennen himself instead of many different ways they could of addressed the ult damage.

They could of lowered the base a bit and reduced the diminish of each tick and accomplished their goal but no. They could of made each tick the same number throughout with numbers adjustments and accomplished their goal but no.

They chose the option most awful for the Kennen himself and made the frontload extremely weak that it actually needs all 6 scaling ticks to break even lol.

And people really even understand the reasons why sucks a lot.

Manage to hit a person during the late duration of your ult? Well nice, mega weak frontload that you can't scale up cause time ran out. People flashed out and you had to flash back in to catch them? You lost around a tick or two of scale up that you can't use now when you need all 6/6 to break even.

Riot you couldn't even throw a bone to us to have the ticks scaling not be dependent on hitting them instead of the ult duration for the scenarios where people got hit late.

There is no "feels good" reward anymore with the ult. Most of us aren't going to think "that was rewarding" when we do all 6 ticks, were just going to think "Enemy so bad" like the people who delude themselves to call this a buff.

Helmut de Clutch2 votes

Personally, as a post nerf Kennen main, I believe these nerfs were taken too far and it ruins Kennens qualities as a champion in a team. He is a "run into the enemy and try to do as much as you can" kind of champion. That's also what made him fun and really thrilling to play. Counter play is not minimal and a flash comes up once every five minutes. Kennen is in a team for his ult, and now that it does small damage (unless you manage to hit all 6 ticks, which will commonly only be landed onto one champion). Would love to play Kenen again, but unless he gets a buff, I don't think I will be busting him out in ranked for a while... Rito please buff Kennen

Yaśuo Main1 votes

Dude im pretty sure it was just an ult nerf, and it doesnt fucking matter. he was WAY off balance before, playing against him was agony. ive literally seen kennens just tp in, ULT and literally 3 of them died by nothing else, he wasnt even 10 kills i dont think

not to mention that you have to flash out of his ult to escape a fifth of his damage, and thats if he doesnt just insta stun you with everything else of his kit

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

It does matter, it dropped his win rate 4% over one patch and he was already fine beforehand. He wasn't way off balance before, he was consistently hovering around a 50% win rate, and his win/ban rate suggests that he isn't as broken as you say. There are more ways than flash to avoid his ultimate, and if your whole team is caught in a Kennen ulti it's because they did something wrong, overextending/not warding is generally the culprit. You say he's broken but you have nothing to back it up with. I don't think you read anything I wrote, though.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

nobody reads anything that big unless its a reading assignment

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

i mean if you aren't gonna listen to anything and you're going to quickly brush off a champion you don't like because you don't know how to play against him i don't think you should be giving your two cents on balance changes

Yaśuo Main1 votes

im sorry, but if the post is -7 downvotes and its not about a buff to yasuo, you likely aren't right

also, you main kennen, assuming from your name

I mean, is it obvious who I main, and I still have trouble against Kennen?

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

The amount of downvotes from salty players who don't know how to play against my champion who haven't posted a single legitimate critique of what I said hold no merit against the validity of my post. People can disagree with me for illegitimate reasons, and apparently they're all illegitimate since none of them have posted anything worth while about why I'm wrong.

The fact that I main the champion I post about also doesn't mean I can't justify why the nerfs weren't necessary. No one has challenged a word of what I said, it's all been empty complaints about how 'OP' he is with a justification of how easy it is to flash ult and win the game instantly, which clearly was a serious issue for a champion with an alarming 51% win rate on a good week. Obviously gamebreaking.

It's obvious who you main but I wasn't going to use it against you. However, I guess I have to, since it seems you're upset about the concept of one of your counters being stronger but have nothing to justify why these nerfs were necessary. Say what you will about my bias, at least I can back up what I'm talking about.

Kulle Aid1 votes

Dude you wrote a complete essay on this. Props to that and ur passion for the champion. However, I think the change was for the better as Kennen of a champion. The burst damage he was capable of with ult was insane, the damage however was not modified, it was just when the full damage is set. giving an opponent the ability to at least try and get away from the already devastating ability. We have seen in even proplay that he can penta instantly with the damage and he isn't even an assassin. I think changing the damage to near the end was a great way to balance him as a champion. No longer can you just land a skill shot, run to them and ult and get an instant kill. no one could escape it, now its just delayed damage. id rather have that personally.

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

I understand playing against a Kennen ult seems frustrating, but it really isn't as powerful as a lot of people are giving it credit for. If the damage is really as bad as people say and as inescapable as people say, I feel like he would be seeing much more success in solo Q, but frankly people just dont pick or ban him, and his win rate doesn't suggest he's op. In general, people just don't know how to deal with him because they never play against him. Mercurial scimitar and zhonya's are the bane of every Kennen main, and they can be used to completely negate his ult. I see it all the time. Also, when you're talking about pro play, he's been indirectly nerfed twice since then with the protobelt + rylai's nerfs, which saw his win rate drop ~2%. When I think of an OP champion, I think of champions that can essentially solo carry every solo Q game, and the only Kennen one trick that comes to mind who is capable of that is Bobjenkins.

Kulle Aid1 votes

I get what you mea, but I think you main him therefore hate the changes, while they might be more beneficial to gameplay. I main top Quinn, and look at her win rate? shes up there, even in high elo her win rate is great, but I also took time to learn her and her mechanics just like you have with kennen. they nerfed her q, the blind that everyone despises, but I got why. the durations made it impossible to face her once landing. 2 seconds was enough to kill with her and still is enough. however the reason I say is that me maining top I have faced many a kennen. I have a secondary main that is yorick, of all champs right? and let me tell you. nothing is worse than having no escape as a melee. being forced to build an item like scimitar just cause his ult will insta kill me without it. the damage being to the last tic allows for some movement to be made instead of an instant skill shot to ult to buff movement speed. he gets on u immediately after that stun. with the change I think that he has to be closer in order to keep the damage up, which is still totally possible. the movement speed with him allows him to keep you in that. the items that you bring up will actually now be able to get away from him instead of him doing more than half health instantly. then being able to get away, it would be damage then you know a nuke is coming, and either u get the fuck out or u kill the bastard. it allows a choice to be made with the damage reversal. I always saw kennen as assassin like with that potential, even as a team. now the win ratio thing. maybe that's because some have changed? or a champion is outplaying them better in higher elo due to the damage change. I picked yorick as my back up and his win ratio is below kennens at 47%. but I think his kit is perfectly fine and doesn't need a buff, he just takes skill to manage and no one wants him. but I win with him. kennen I think with that change just demands more of a skill change with placement rather than being in and boom, a boom of an ult. thinking about it why cant a kennen ult prior to a fight at a start and time the damage once hes placed?

Niyumi1 votes

But... his ult does more damage overall now? I mean, it's just too bad that you can't just one shot people with it now and actually have to be smart about how to use it (and there's this fancy item that slows people on spell hits, you know), and can't just flash + R + Zhonya's and win.

Kennen was and still is OP, so if you're having issues with him, maybe try (for lack of anything better to say) getting better?

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

I don't know if I'm supposed to take this seriously or not. Doesn't it seem silly that you as a gold player are going on a diamond player's post about a champion I one trick, not reading a word of what I said, whining that he's overpowered because you personally have no idea how to play against him, post a completely inaccurate and gross oversimplification of how he's played, and then claim I'm not playing him right? I mean I'm really not trying to pull the superiority card here but... Jesus dude, give me something to work with here. A bit of self reflection goes a long way.

Niyumi1 votes

If you had actually formatted the post and made it readable, I would have read it. Not going to read through a wall of text with occasional spaces though.

Now then, as a diamond player, you must know that not every diamond player is actually good. You get bad ones and good ones. Now, I've never seen you play, but if you're saying a champion is worthless now because he can't 100-0 people with one button... then you might be one of those diamond players that maaaybe shouldn't be diamond.

And, if you're diamond, you should also know that, just because someone is lower ELO than you, it doesn't mean they're necessarily bad or worse than you. I've got over 7,000 games under my belt, against everyone from bronze to challenger. So, I know how every champ works, what matchups they do well in, all that. So, if I (some gold pleb) can still play Kennen just fine, then you should be able to as well, since you obviously have much better mechanics and decision making.

Never said I don't know how to play against Kennen. Just said he still works just fine, and overall got a buff.

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

I'm not getting paid to make things aesthetically pleasing to you.

I never said every Diamond player is good, and I never said Kennen should be able to 100 - 0 people with one button. He wasn't able to do that before. You need to kill people with a full rotation of spells, as is how every burst mage works. Don't put words in my mouth.

I don't automatically assume people lower elo than me are worse than I am, but when you come in and give me literally 0 context to work off of other than "he's op!!! flash ult to win the game!!!" I can in no way assume you know what you're talking about. Also isn't helped by the fact you didn't read anything I said. In fact, If you read what I said, I said he was still playable.

Again, It isn't "overall a buff", in 95% of situations it is a nerf. I don't see how you wouldn't be able to see that considering you apparently know so much about how Kennen works.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I'm not getting paid to make things aesthetically pleasing to you.

He's right. I've already stopped reading after the 1st paragraph due to the lack of paragraphing in it, as it's already hard to read as it is.

If you want to take your thread about your Kennen nerf points seriously, make it so all the readers can get to understand your thread better by making it more spacious instead of that one fat block of text.

Yordle Hoardle1 votes

Making it more spacious doesn't affect the text whatsoever, you would be reading the same thing either way. If people want to mass down vote this because they are too lazy to read, then so be it.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

We're not lazy in reading. We just don't want to get our eyes hurt from focusing too much on where we last read from that brick text.

Do you actually believe that this:

First off, I want to explain why this nerf hits so hard, and why the attempt to pass it off as "a buff to good Kennen ultimates" is not accurate whatsoever. The change to his ultimate weighted the damage towards the end of his ultimate instead of the front. This seems reasonable, until you realize how "weighted" they actually made it. The damage on his new ultimate is lower until the VERY last tick of his ultimate, which is slightly more, and the early damage is laughable. That means to reap the rewards of this "weighted" ultimate, the enemy team has to sit in your ultimate for three whole seconds. I honestly cannot believe how unrealistic a scenario this is. This rarely ever happens, at least in ranked. Why does this never happen? Well, a big misconception about Kennen is that he is a walking AoE cc instakill machine with no counterplay, and this partly influenced the decision according to the patch notes, where it was reasoned that "he’s pumping out most of his damage before anybody has even had time to run the other way." Is that really the situation? If so, why has his ban rate decreased so much? Why does nobody play him if he can literally ult and kill people before they can react? The truth is that that is a grossly oversimplified summary of his ultimate. I can agree that Kennen's ultimate is fucking terrifying, but there are tons of things that you can do that are meta right now to avoid Kennen's damage or ultimate altogether, even if you get flashed on as an ADC. These things include: QSS, flash, heal, Zhonya's, hexdrinker, Mikaels, GA, picking Caitlyn in champion select, e.t.c. All of these are things that people can and DO use incredibly often to survive Kennen's ultimate. In addition, Hard CC and disengage is incredibly effective. I mean this might seem like a given, but I cant stress how much they render his ultimate useless, as it's considerably short, and his only method of dealing damage is charging straight into the enemy team. Considering how many people play Janna, Lee Sin, and CC tanks right now, getting a good Kennen ultimate off is far from easy in the current meta. Redemption is also very frustrating, but there are ways to work around it. I see people use these things constantly, and it's why Kennen is balanced. His ultimate is amazing, but it's not TOO amazing. Very rarely are you going to get that game winning pentakill Kennen ulti, and if you do, it's almost always because the enemy team made a mistake (squishies overextending onto the frontline, lack of proper warding, getting TP flanked, e.t.c.). So to summarize, Kennen's ultimate is already very balanced and has more counterplay to it than it would seem, so nerfing the damage would be unnecessary. Again, I have to stress how this does NOT reward "good Kennen players" in the slightest. It's a cop out, completely goes against the mechanics of this game and the current meta way of playing Kennen.

Would be something that's easy for any readers to comprehend?

Calabok1 votes

NOPE

the nerfs were justified if not lacking.

Yordle Hoardle2 votes

Am I supposed to take your word for it? Because you didn't explain why.

Kennenchu1 votes

My favorite part is where he put the TL;DR at the END after everyone read it, rather than at the start. But yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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