Zed needs to be fixed. Here's why.

Nightlash·8/20/2018, 11:05:36 PM·21 votes·5,013 views

Hey guys, i'm Nightlash, a diamond zed main. I am also an officer in the Zed club on NA. I usually play in d5-d3 a lot and I wanted to address the problems that I feel Zed has right now. These opinions are shared with me and my fellow Zed mains in the club whom are all plat and above. Zed is a champion that once mastered to a high level of skill, can carry games by mechanics and smart play. Or so he should be. The state of zed right now is in dire need of fixing. I will divide the post on why zed is weak into multiple sections. Please give this post a read before throwing biased opinions against the champion, it would mean a lot.

I. Lane Phase and Gameplay

  1. Living Shadow (W cooldown) Zed's lane phaseused to be a notorious part of zed. His ability to dominate lane was well known by all players. However now his laning feels terrible. First off, his W cooldown. Level 1 W is 22 seconds. For Zed's main source of trading this is an outrageously long cooldown. In higher elos, W has to be used very carefully. Sometimes you cant even trade because you need to save it for when you get ganked or roaming to help your jungler with scuttle control. You usually do not level up this ability after you get it at level 2/3 because you need damage from your other abilities.
  2. Itemization Right now it is very easy to itemize versus Zed. With how cheap seekers armguard is you can almost always achieve it after an early back which significantly decreases Zed's damage. Along with that, they can also go tabi. That completely takes away Zed's damage for a significant amount of the early and even mid game. Even with those two items they still can outrade you due to how weak you are. Magic pen is easily accessible while armor pen is harder to get built, stuff like LW and BC arent very strong until later in the game. Zed is completely useless versus many tanky/bruisers champions until LATE LATE into the game. You have to have a LDR BC and rest of your lethality items in order to have a CHANCE in killing them. Most of them will still be able to fuck you over. Examples of this are: Jax, Garen, Renekton, Darius. Stopwatch is another pain the ass for Zed. Not really from the active, but because of how it builds into Zhonyas. With how cheap the other two components are it just makes it very easy to rush this item.
  3. Nerfs to Domination Tree When nerfing other electrocute users riot messed with Zed and did not give him any compensation buffs in return. In theory, the electrocute changes SHOULD be better for laners due to the lower CD and more frequent trades. However the amount of damage zed does is already too weak and the damage nerf on electrocute, sudden impact, and scorch hurt him pretty bad. Another thing I wanted to mention that might not have to do with Zed but the general state of the game is the new runes system. Riot implemented the new Runes Reforged system with hopes of creating more diverse playstyles for champions and for the players. However in my opinion it ended up leading to the same result as before, and actually made it worse. Before with old runes you were able to customize what you wanted to take into certain matchups, there was more flexibility. Anyways back to Zed.
  4. R snapback delay Back then riot implemented a delay to zed's ultimate shadow so he cannot instantly port back. However curently theres just too many ways to screw Zed over once he ults, especially in the later game. You are forced to W R W if you want to port out instantly from ur R which forces u to use ur W earlier on. This also means that your W is set out and your opponents can play against it. Late game you are almost forced to buy an Edge of Night to play around the snapback delay.

_II. Why play Zed? _

  1. Perception of Zed When people think of Zed, they usually think about those high elo Zed mains who make those awesome 1v3 outplays like LL Stylish does, or they think of the silver/gold Zed mains who try to do that and end up feeding. The point being, Zed is a champion that allows players to showcase their level of mastery on the champion. Yes, most of the player base is in lower elo and that means Riot has to cater towards the whole player base, not just the higher elo ones. But I don't think thats a good enough reason to completely allow a champion to be irrelevant for so long due to certain players whining about how they dont like playing versus the champion. Zed mains have feelings too guys.

  2. Why play Zed when you can play stuff like Talon? Talon is a the best example of a champion that does Zed's job 100x better. Talon has a great laning phase, even after the nerfs. He has great roaming, even after celerity nerfs. He has lower cooldowns. He is punished less when he uses CDs. Talon is just BETTER. So why would I play Zed when I can play Talon which requires way less time to master and is completely better than Zed, no dispute. You could even say Talon is a better Zed than Zed. Talon is able to buy tiamat and still do more damage than Zed. He also gets wave clear from it then just roams all game?? Zed? Nah. If I wanted to do that as quick id have to spam all my abilities then wait 22 seconds for my w to comeback up! _ III. Zed Masters_

Currently we only have ONE consistent masters/challenger player who MOSTLY plays Zed, Laceration. Other notorious zed mains have just been in elos that they shouldnt be most of the time. LL Stylish is an example of a challenger level player who is struggling to get to challenger only playing Zed and has to rely on other champions to climb.

IV. Future of Zed

  1. Riot has mentioned that they are going to buff tanks, and with how zed is hes going to be bad I think thats enough said.
  2. Other champions will be way more viable than he is if this keeps up
  3. No consistent way to climb with Zed due to shifts in meta

Thanks for taking the time to read my rant on Zed's current state, and feel free to give back your opinions. I'll try to reply to them when I have a chance and give my input.

39 Comments

Fízz v28/20/2018, 11:52:08 PM11 votes
  1. Itemization

hexdrinker is way stronger than any AP item you could get, and if you go Tabi you give up damage, unlike Zed going Mercs, because AD champs dont have damage in their boots.

  1. Why play Zed when you can play stuff like Talon?

more reliable poke, better and higher range wave clear, can get solokills in lane a lot easier vs ranged champs. No resource with spammable ranged spell to farm. Also more mobility in combat.

LL Stylish is an example of a challenger level player who is struggling to get to challenger only playing Zed and has to rely on other champions to climb.

if ll stylish was a challenger level Zed player, he would easily be challenger in NA tho

ChargeItDownMid8/20/2018, 11:25:51 PM10 votes

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S10 Rank 1 Zed8/20/2018, 11:08:21 PM8 votes

Zed gets countered with resolve , not to mention armor.

Retríbution8/20/2018, 11:08:18 PM7 votes

I can't agree with this more. I am a fairly new Zed main and I have already felt the pains of what you are describing here. RITO PLS!

Noor Sakata8/21/2018, 12:09:43 AM7 votes

in what world do you guys live in ? Zed needs buffs??? Why would Zed need compensation buffs for electrocute being nerfed ? In the first place Electrocute was nerfed for the likes of Zed and Talon Zed doesn't even need to hit skillshots to kill his Targets Zed actually needs nerfs , Look at his winrate , he already has a high winrate + pickrate for a champion that he hard to play You got a point about 1 thing , that Zed suffers against Tanks and bruisers and those who build armor , I mean yeah sure , but doesn't mages suffer against Zed ? that's because Zed hard hard counters them , same way Bruisers are the default counters to zed in the first place , in Itemization Zed is AD , those who got the best items when it comes against ap targets , sure Zed suffers against Bruisers and stuff , but isn't he not supposed to focus them in the first place ? Zed is a champion generally has a target he must kill , and that target is surely not a bruiser , and actually Zed does tons of damage against Bruisers , because usually Zed is the type of champions who fights while being ahead , the moment enemies start catching up with lvl means that is the price has to pay for picking an early game champion, but guess what , according to OP.GG , Zed got 52% winrate in matches between 35-40 minutes and got 51% winrate in 40+ minutes matches , which is like a joke , isn't Zed supposed to fall in late game ? what is that joke? Zed's late game winrate is even much higher than most of mages in late game who are supposed to scale better , http://euw.op.gg/champion/zed/statistics/mid

in what world Zed is weak ? Zed is an overbuffed champion ! I really don't understand what's the point of buffing a champion that kills his targets by missing all his skillshots and is actually too rewarded if he hits his Q , he overkills , I watch LLStylish a lot , hell , but I realized that Zed mains are really living in a different world including LLStylish , I found him risking himself to kill some targets after R R Q hitting 2 Q's and then goes to the range of that champion to auto then the targets dies before that ,after LLstylish using his shadow to get close ,he himself doesn't even realize the damage he does , that time he died because he solo fight v 4 , he still killed that Sivir or more like " Overkilled her " while he didn't even use his full kit Zed actually has a great late game , Duskblade is already a broken item , especially when it comes to the Vision part , he can kill his targets before they even realize by using his basic abilities and they won't even know because he 1 shoots wards because of an item In lane Zed is actually great , he has one of the best and most fun laning times , I mean sure Zoe is unfun to lane against as much as LLstylish hates her but she is the same way for everyone else , Zed got a great wave clear and doesn't even care about mana and you know that the moment a mage rushes item 3191 that mage has to sacrifice Mana and magic pen items , and guess what ? Zed all in already can kill that mage anyway so please , if Zed needs any buffs against bruisers then item 3147 item 3156 gotta be gutted , he is already too strong for mages to deal with. the " But Zhonia is too broken " replies are gonna be ignored.

But here is a thing , Zed is hella fun to play " Which I can't deny " but is he fun to play against ?

haenex8/20/2018, 11:56:54 PM6 votes

THANK YOU, FINALLY SOMEONE WHO REALISES THAT ZED NEEDS BUFFS

uso8/20/2018, 11:23:21 PM6 votes

Not to mention Zed doesn't have varieties of runes he can choose from, almost all Zed players run electrocute while other ap mid laners can run aery,comet,grasp,etc.

RISE Shlack1238/20/2018, 11:59:06 PM5 votes

The thing about assassins is they are supposed to have a weak laning phase. Assassin runes and itemization are currently very overtuned right now, so asking for buffs of any sort on Zed will not be welcomed. Damage as a whole needs to come down across the board. And what needs to be looked at most is why some assassins are performing so well (Talon) compared to Zed.

tl;dr Zed isn't weak. Other assassins are just too strong.

theChibiTina8/20/2018, 11:46:04 PM5 votes

I'm not gonna say Zed is strong, but he doesn't need buffs. He's only weak when compared to other champions of the same class. Assassins shouldn't be able to take out tanks/bruisers. Their job is to take out the out of position squishy. Weak wave clear seems like a fair trade to being able to instant 100-0 a squishy. So Zed isn't weak. Other assassins are just to strong. Being forced into a Zhonya's early game as a mage means you're relatively useless until later in the game.

Zookeeperˉ8/20/2018, 11:21:16 PM3 votes

One can argue that tweaking Zed as seen in the past, results in a negative response by the community although I urge some to consider the magnitude of tweaking we're asking. The issue with Riot is their patches include a one-sided touch to the meta. Be it armor items buffed, inevitable to assassin's dismay of enduring a relentless tank meta. Lethality gets buffed and you find ADC's complaining. It was never with Zed, it was the scale of how much the Balance Team deemed fit and it has either been too strong or weak of both buffs and nerfs. Their perception is one-sided, similar to painting; You can paint with one ink or two to fit a certain scenery though the best mingle many inks together and thus you find a masterpiece.

Handin Out Naps8/21/2018, 12:22:48 AM3 votes

Ur insane for posting this on the boards lol.

WalkingInACircle8/21/2018, 12:06:20 AM3 votes

And by fixed you mean gutted, right?

Oh... no... you think his laning is weak. Wow...

And no, no one thinks of Zed as players who do "awesome outplays", they know them as the assholes who faceroll and think what they did are awesome outplays.

ZedUsanGovos8/21/2018, 3:41:12 AM3 votes

Two things.

  1. I completely agree. Preferably not a damage-buff, as damage is consistently high across the board atm, but he does need a buff nonetheless. That being said, I'm not completely opposed to damage buffs, as he MAY need some slight tweaks in the coming patches for those Duskblade nerfs.

  2. You're a damned fool for posting it in these here parts. These varmints witch-hunt Zed like there's no tomorrow. Reddit would be much more effective for both reaching Rioters, as well as minimizing the amount of Zed circlejerkers you MIGHT encounter. If you've already done that, neat.

CppL8/22/2018, 1:40:51 PM1 votes

Lets buff one of the top tier assasin...Great idea.

La Bello8/21/2018, 1:59:49 AM1 votes

. Zed is a champion that once mastered to a high level of skill, can carry games by mechanics and smart play. Or so he should be.

Id argue that not EVERY damage champion should be capable of hardcarrying even when played to perfection. Assassins are made to usually expend all resources to take out ONE target. Not expend all resources to fucking wipe the entire enemy team. The entire design of the role implies basically that you are CONTRIBUTING to a won teamfight by manner of flipping the number odds in the favor of your team with a quick kill, not fucking rolling the enemy team like a one man army. Not every champ is created equally and thats part of the fun and strategy of League. yes there are some champs specifically made to wipe out entire teams by themselves when played correctly (MissFortune MasterYi Katarina Brand Irelia Swain )however I feel Zed is not one of them along with DOZENS of other champs.

Zed is completely useless versus many tanky/bruisers champions until LATE LATE into the game.

this is completely fine. Assassins should not be able to assassinate tanks early to mid. Bruisers are literally the next best thing compared to tanks so them reigning over an assassin in the foodchain is COMPLETELY acceptable as they are nearly polar opposites in design. If you want to take out a tank quickly pick a SLAYER champion not an assassin (SEE: Yi,Yas,Fiora Rhaast ect)

Zed's lane phase used to be a notorious part of zed. His ability to dominate lane was well known by all players. However now his laning feels terrible.

Imo manaless champions who SCALE WELL should NOT have strong early games. being manaless is already a huge advantage enough as it gives you the ability to win the lane by attrition and constant pushing forcing your opponent to answer back with mana cost OR risk losing half their farm to tower. The ability reliably win lane ALONG WITH the threat of never falling off is a extremely dangerous combination and its one of my biggest problems with Yasuo . Strong late games should not also have strong early games. Energy/manaless by nature almost always means a strong early game thusly I think its okay for Zed to be handicapped somehow so as to try and even the playing field.

. However the amount of damage zed does is already too weak and the damage nerf on electrocute, sudden impact, and scorch hurt him pretty bad.

Electrocute imo should not even exist. the mere existence of this rune goes hand in hand with Zed having poor rune choice. For a champion who is all about burst why take any other rune than the one that straight up offers MORE BURST. Zed is not the only champ Electro has by the balls. Practically every assassin rather they be melee or ranged is a slave to it as well. With some VERY limited exceptions. Electro and Dark Harvest are both INCREDIBLY unhealthy for the game and should be removed ASAP they offer nothing but facilitation of one-shot gameplay and balance problems. Long ago in seasons past champions worked JUST FINE without needing to scrape and squeeze out as much free damage as possible from smaller damage effects. I want to return to that level of self-sufficiency and only relying on items to deal damage.

  1. Why play Zed when you can play stuff like Talon?

As far as "Why play Zed when you can just play Talon" this is actually a recurring problem that arises when you are intent on creating a new champion every other month. You tend to kinda make "echo fighters" (think Fox and Falco from super smash brothers). Champions who ultimately have the same overall design and goal but go about it in slightly different ways. Often one champ ends up being easier while another is more intricate and flashy BUT still has the same fuction.

"Why pick Jinx when you can just play Tristana " (teamfight/ Anti structure marksman) "Why pick Ekko when you can just play Fizz " (soft initiator AP melee fighter) "Why pick Vayne when you can just play Kaisa " (1v1 duelist tank shredder) "Why pick Veigar when you can just play Syndra " (walking VIP Delete button) "Why pick Fiora when you can just play Camille " (Hyperscaling True Damage duelist) the answer often comes down to personal preference rather than a meaningful tradeoffs that warrant the existence of said champion

this problem is why I prefer to see old champions remade and VGU rather than new champions added to the game. with 140+ champs finding a niche that has not been filled yet is EXTREMELY HARD and the chances of a new champion making an older champion moot is very high. This is not just a problem with Zed, Its a problem with league and a rookie mistake damn near every other MOBA/Class based game falls for.

besides all this however I DO infact feel Zed needs some attention. At the very least up his base Attack SPeed to make him feel a bit smoother to play. I would be fine with a small placebo buff like that while they came up with some bigger longtime work for him.