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It is sad how many games end with a surrender

Soybean16·1/1/2015, 7:29:06 PM·7 votes·3,017 views

I am the type of person who never has or never will vote "Yes" to surrendering. Why do I do this? For a variety of reasons

  1. Respect. In my opinion, it is somewhat disrespectful and takes away the fun when my team is just about to win, and the enemy team votes to surrender mere seconds before we win. It just says "Here, we will destroy our own nexus, instead of letting you win (even though you fought for 20+ minutes to deserve it), because we do not want you to feel the satisfaction of destroying it yourself".

  2. Comebacks happen. Surrendering completely eliminates any possibility of a win for that game. Anybody remember the game where despite being down 4 to 13 kills and 20,000 gold at 43:00, CLG was able to comeback and beat Moscow 5? Games like these only happen if your team continues fighting, even if you are losing. You don't remember the games where you were at a disadvantage, so decided to surrender. The games you remember are the ones where you were down 10 kills and 20,000 gold, but ace the enemy team at baron to win the game.

  3. What happened to that "keep fighting, the game is not over until it's over" kind of attitude, or the "never give up" type of spirit? Now it's just "The enemies got 2 kills when they invaded us? Surrender at 20". Every time I see a "Bot lane fed, surrender at 20" in the chat, it just demoralizes me. I still remember in my earlier days of League of Legends where I would make a big comeback, and just be happy for the rest of the day. Those don't happen any more.

This being said, I do understand the occasional 4v5 game, or even worse, 3v5s resulting in a surrender, where a comeback is near impossible. For this reason I still agree that the surrender button should remain in the game, but I just wish I could see some more games play out their full length, maybe some more comebacks happening. As easy as It would have been to just say "Bot lane fed gg ff at 20" In this game, we did not, and we persevered through the hour that we were behind, to ace them and comeback to win the game. By no means were we ahead when we did this, we were down 17 kills and 7.4k gold at the end of the game, but we kept going and won the game.

17 Comments

Bismuthinite1/1/2015, 7:45:22 PM7 votes

I am the type of person who never has or never will vote "Yes" to surrendering.

Please, the score is 44/2, 2 inhibitors are down and we are 4 levels behind their support. Please don't waste any more of my time.

Lord Dusteon1/1/2015, 7:35:45 PM5 votes

For 2 and 3.

2: What about when you're down 3 dragons, baron, and an inhibitor along with multiple kills? Sure, I COULD try to continue playing, hoping me and my team play and stall perfectly for 20+ minutes to catch up and then SOMEHOW keep them from getting more barons/dragons/inhibitors, but since the chances of that happening are low I'd prefer to surrender. Sure, we could make a comeback if we play perfectly. We could also end the game and play another one where we aren't completely fucked though.

3: Because sometimes the game is over and you know it? When I see their top + bot are fed and our mid is barely even, I don't think we can do this. I think we could try, but when they can 3v5 and win I don't consider that game one I want to continue playing.

Rustling Bush1/1/2015, 7:37:00 PM5 votes

  1. who cares if they surrender moments before you destroy the nexus, its not like anything eventful is going to occur if they didn't, besides who cares if you find it disrespectful, your opinion doesn't speak for everyone.

  2. don't compare lcs games to soloque, just don't.

  3. "keep fighting, the game is not over until it's over", what ever happen to "knowing when you lost", no one wants to sit a extra 10-15-20 minutes for the same results, having some 12 year typing in all caps like a madman.

Deep Terror Nami1/1/2015, 7:31:56 PM4 votes

And now you're getting downvotes from people who surrender at 20 because of first blood.

Alljoy1/1/2015, 7:49:55 PM4 votes

I shudder at the idea of getting people like you in my games. It's just as suffocating as the toxic ones, albeit with them, I can mute and carry on, yet people like you simply insist on keeping me there when I really just want to move on to the next one.

I can understand the silliness of 'ff @ 20', but sometimes the situation is such a mess that unless it's ranked it's simply an exercise in futility, especially to even bother spending more time with people I clearly want to get away from at that point.

JJI7441/1/2015, 9:05:19 PM4 votes

"Never give up, Never Surrender," should not be applied to trivial matters, especially group matters. YOU (And one other person) are being incredibly selfish by deciding that you want to waste the time of 8 other people for that sub 1% chance that some miracle comeback happens to win the game. And its a GAME! Odds are even the people voting no to the surrender stopped having fun about 10 minutes ago and are just being stubborn.

BakedLotion1/1/2015, 8:14:12 PM4 votes

If the enemy team is just toying with you when they're like 20-0 of course you'll want to surrender. You're wasting your own time, suffering. It's not always about you. If your team finds that it's boring as fuck to watch the enemy stomp you (because they won't end or push) then let them surrender.

Pinker 101/1/2015, 7:49:35 PM3 votes

Dat jungle cait doe

Aurelius Maximus1/1/2015, 7:32:25 PM3 votes

I also never surrender, it doesn't make me popular

I just enjoy playing the game and I kind of enjoy the "impossible fight"

Cuz it feels so good when you win

I'm also the master of winning from behind

Mindspeaker1/1/2015, 7:32:49 PM3 votes

great post and i agree with you but I believe that surrender should be taken out of all game modes including ranked. Its not over till a nexus falls

Diljic1/1/2015, 10:04:39 PM3 votes

There is a huge difference between X gave First Blood, surrender at 20, and a game that is virtually over aside from the Nexus exploding. For point 2 you are referencing a team of players who not only are a team, but are playing in a must win situation and for them going for the 1 in 100, 1 in 1,000, 1 in 10,000 win is worth the time and effort.

You also have not made any reference of games that the other team is so far ahead they are farming you and purposely not winning.

Abyssphere1/1/2015, 10:39:27 PM2 votes

I don't get people like you. I hate early surrenders and I also hate when people surrender as their nexus turrets go down (what's the point? your surrender saves about 20 seconds of time) but something like this can't be an absolute rule. If the enemy team is purposefully dragging the game out as long as possible for their KDA and decide they're happy to spend 30 minutes just farming kills off you, why continue? It's not enjoyable.

People in this game surrender way too easily, I've had enemy teams that surrendered when they were halfway to winning. But doing your best to force people to stay another 20+ minutes in a 0-44 game is frankly cruel and selfish.

Leaf of the lake1/1/2015, 10:05:43 PM2 votes

There are some games where it just isn't worth continuing playing. There are definitely times when teams surrender too quickly (it is throwlo queue, after all), but those are usually games where you have a comp suited to turtling, probably with a hyperscaling ADC. If you have an early-game comp where every lane lost and the enemy vayne is 12/1, it's probably time to surrender.

Kamina x Dreamz1/1/2015, 7:42:29 PM2 votes

surrendering for the sake of surrendering is bad, and keep the fight going for the sake of keeping the fight going is bad also. the system in place is fine, if 4 outta 5 people feel the game is over, then its over... heck i wouldnt mind it if they allowed you to surrender whenever you wanted... end of the day if 4 outta 5 players feel that they cannot continue, you will not win that game.

its knowing when to hold em or when to fold em, players in general dont understand how to judge a game based on how there team is doing or what there team can do to try and salvage a game, even in the pro scene there are surrenders, there are times and points when its blantantly obvious that unless the servers go down the game has already been decided.

no shame in accepting defeat, as long as you understand why you lost and learn from it.