y do some winrates...

Matt2423·Mar 14, 2017·1 votes·1,114 views

...decrease as a champion is played more?

it would make sense that it would be a steady climb until a plateau.

i am talking about the graphs you see on 3rd party sites like lolking and champion.gg

thanks

12 Comments

Sett up 4my gankMar 14, 20172 votes

I have a theory that the reason behind this is that people who have like the 200+ games which is usually when it drops are all OTP's, where as the people who have like 100-150 are usually meta abusers using it to climb. the 200+ game people are probably plateaud and winning a little more than 50% or 50% itself, where as the people with lower than 200 are possibly abusing the champion while it is strong and dropping it when its weak.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 14, 20171 votes

but you're explaining it as if it were reverse of what the OP is asking, that would be why the winrates rise, not drop.

Sett up 4my gankMar 15, 20171 votes

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but you're explaining it as if it were reverse of what the OP is asking, that would be why the winrates rise, not drop.

its why when you have 200 games the winrate drops, because you play the champion through thick and thin, tough metas an good metas, where as the lower brackets meta abuse the champion when its super strong but don't play it when its weak. thus the people who play it only during good metas "100-200 games" have higher winrate than those witth 200 + games.

AptestMar 14, 20172 votes

The obvious answer is super low sample sizes for some of the areas in the graph. Which means random events like a bunch of losses finding their way into the graph.

Variks the LoyalMar 14, 20172 votes

Because the more people playing a particular champion, the less skilled the sample size will appear.

The majority of people who play a popular champion do not main that champion. Thus, they aren't as skilled as others.

Champions with really low playrates often have really high winrates because the only players that play them main that champion, and are more skilled, thus will win more games.

The more people play a popular champion, there's an increase in the less dedicated players, thus less skilled people cause the winrate to go down.

ModThe DjinnMar 14, 20171 votes

Are we talking more games by a single player, or decreasing as more PLAYERS play that champion?

Chibi BronzlifeMar 14, 20171 votes

it seems he is asking overall winrate by all who play X champion.

TarzeusMar 14, 20171 votes

popular champs sometimes can be difficult to play and perhaps an Olaf main is awesome and rare suddenly a pro used it and the sheep decided to run Olaf and they suck so drop olafs winrate since he was formerly rare and only played by good players due to his champion difficulty. Olaf being a random example.

Matt2423Mar 14, 20171 votes

i upvoted the 3 ppl that anwsered my question. i need to rethink my whole aproach to league!

how can i/anyone determine if a champion is op then? you hear ppl on youtube twitch etc talk about op is that just their opinion? or is there any data to draw that conclusion from?

Variks the LoyalMar 14, 20173 votes

There's no clearcut way to determine if a champion is OP, but Riot and a lot of the community have known for a long time that winrates are terrible indicators of an OP champion.

In order for winrate to reflect an OP champion, the winrate needs to be extremely absurd, like, 95% of games.

Whether or not a champion is OP is largely subjective. What you think is OP and you have a hard time playing against, could be really easy for someone else. Likewise, a champion you play really easily against, might be a nightmare for someone else to play against.

It takes an eye for game design and an understanding of mechanics to know if a champion is OP. Camille is a textbook example of OP on release; she had damage, mobility, durability, and crowd control, all at very high levels. Her damage potential, durability, and crowd control were toned down, so she's relatively balanced now.

Another way to tell if a champion is OP is to think about how other champions compare to them. For example (And this is hypothetical, I'm not expressing an opinion here), say Riven is legitimately overpowered. The question stops being, "What champion should I play for my team?", and becomes, "Should I play this champion, or should I just play Riven?" "What does this champion offer that could make me legitimately consider it over Riven?"

Now, Riven is a balanced champion right now; you can easily consider playing other top laners. But when there is no good answer to that question, you have an OP champion.

ModThe DjinnMar 14, 20172 votes

I was about to type this out myself, only to find I don't have to. Well said.

Matt2423Mar 14, 20171 votes

thank u! i realise now that my whole aproach to league was wrong. hopefully ill b able to climb now. tkx again