Pros saying there is no elo hell

Fluffulufagus·7/16/2015, 9:04:30 PM·2 votes·1,290 views

I've been in bronze for a while now and all of these diamond and challenger pros say there is "no elo hell". Let me get this straight... for all of you guys in bronze, please reassure me that it is relatively impossible without being someone who is considered godly. Almost 90% of my games I out farm and outplay my lane opponent by upwards of 50 by 10 minutes in some cases. I try and lead my team to the win every game but unless you are lucky you will ALWAYS get 2 people who farm their lane, or just wander through jungle or some random lane without communicating or even making an attempt to help their team. I have 2 questions, does anyone else experience this? and how the hell do I get out of elo hell?

19 Comments

Kazaashi7/16/2015, 9:09:40 PM5 votes

If you remember that the other team has the same mouth breathers that you do and all you have to do is find those and exploit them harder than the other team does to yours, you will have much more success.

Don't just get frustrated with things you cannot control, you have to look for the things you can control and the rest will fall into place.

ElysMustache7/16/2015, 10:27:30 PM2 votes

{quoted} Almost 90% of my games I out farm and outplay my lane opponent by upwards of 50 by 10 minutes in some cases.

Jinx vs. Tristana 2519/2407 Defeat Yorick vs. Xin Xiao 3906/2788 Victory Irelia vs. Ekko 2575/2220 Victory Irelia vs. Yasuo 3023/3260 Victory Malzahar vs. Zed 2438/2542 Victory Ryze vs. Teemo 2616/2240 Victory Jinx vs. Ezreal 3161/2964 Victory Irelia vs. Fiora 2747/2725 Victory Darius vs. Poppy 2839/1937 Defeat

Okay, I want to analyze that statement. Sadly your full ranked match history is not available at the moment (website not loading), so I looked at your most recent 20 ranked games using the client. The ones listed above are from when you were not the Jungler nor the Support.

You were hugely ahead in 2 games. You were ahead in 2 games. You were marginally ahead in 2 games. You were even in 1 game. You were marginally behind in 1 game. You were behind in 1 game.

So this works out to 4 games in which I think you could say that you were "ahead", out of nine available to look at. While this is a small sample size, the likelihood of this data being a fluke, and the "almost 90% of my games" being accurate is exceedingly low.

Eight jungle games (3 wins). Three "support" games (1 win). I say "support" because you never built Sightstone and only upgraded your trinket once. The one Alistar support game, you built a Triforce, which doesn't make sense.

You have played 54 different champions in ranked. That seems unwise. If you could pare down your champion pool to just Malzahar, Tryndamere, Graves, Malphite, Alistar, Volibear, Vi, Caitlyn, Irelia, Maokai, I think you would be much better off. And I don't just mean in ranked. I mean, exclusively play those champions.

Here's the other thing... you averaged 4.74 CS/min during the nine games listed above. You are literally bragging in the OP about farming, but the numbers don't match.

Your builds seem to mostly make sense, apart from the support games. You only upgraded your trinket in 4 of 20 games, so you could improve there.

The last thing I want to touch on is that the game isn't over in the first ten minutes. The way you phrased your opening posts suggests you need to improve at mid/late game tactics.

You get out of Bronze by making fewer mistakes than your enemies. So make fewer mistakes. I placed in Bronze IV at the beginning of this season and climbed to Silver in 55 games. I would categorize that climb as "easy". In the 73 games since then, I haven't moved above Silver IV. So I'm pretty sure my current skill level is Silver IV. Hardly "godly".

Hope some of this helped, because I spent more than a few minutes on it.

redniwediS7/16/2015, 9:21:03 PM2 votes

"Elo Hell" is a combination of a player thinking they should have a rank that is higher than matchmaking thinks they should have, and a lack of understanding of how the matchmaking system works. Rank is not tied to your skill, it is tied to the average win/loss rate of all games you have played plus the statistical monstrosity that is promotion games.

With the lower ranks having the largest portion of the player base you have the largest variation of skill when given allies and opponents. Couple this with the way snowballing and toxicity work in League and you definitely have something that looks like "elo hell". The problem with this is that this skill variation is not focused only on the lower ranks. It exists all the way up into diamond, and maybe higher, so in order for this definition of "elo hell" to be considered real "elo hell" would consist of all ranks.

Basically if you believe in "elo hell" you will never be able to leave "elo hell", no matter how high you climb on the ranked ladder.

Trump Official7/16/2015, 9:42:40 PM2 votes

I started at bronze 4, currently in silver 3. Moving up isn't that bad.

Cindikle7/16/2015, 9:51:42 PM2 votes

All MMR's have their own elo hell.

Bronze/Silver in general has most of the "bad" players. Who build stupid things or make dumb calls.
Gold starts to have people who understand the game. But some that don't. You're still stuck with people with silver mentality. Making it more frustrating for you.(This is as far as i've taken myself. S3 was my first season and I was happy to get gold. S4 I hated and placed at S1, got gold and stopped playing it).
Plat is (from my understanding) when you start to really see the cocky guys who think they know everything. All ranks have this but It's apparently worse in plat. People who think they're meant to be diamond. Do dumb things and ruin the game for the rest of the team. Generally players who main a single champ/roll and expect everyone to work at their pace instead of understanding their own team.
Diamond+ apparently has a lot of trolls. People who gave up caring about their rank because Diamond is(was?) such a chore to climb. I remember a post about a guy trying to get into Master last year and he got some top players on him for taking the game too seriously when they were just having fun. Like playing in the top means playing by their rules. I don't remember if changes have been made to Diamond. But I remember many posts about Diamond 5 LP 0 taking up something like 25%+ of the Diamond population.

What's elo hell to you in Bronze isn't elo hell to another rank but maybe Silver. This is why pro's will say there is no elo hell. (I assume, I'm not a pro after all.)

GroundRuleDouble7/16/2015, 9:05:50 PM2 votes

Remember that you have just as much chance of getting a feeder on your team as the opponents do (less if you don't feed). There is no elo hell.

DrtyTrolls7/16/2015, 9:11:12 PM2 votes

There is an elo hell and ignore the retards that say there isn't. If there wasn't 1 people wouldnt be complaining all the time or so many stuck in bronze. derp derp. On top of that yes, you and the enemy team both have the same chance the only problem is that when you win a game you get less IP then when you lose a game therefor even if out of 10 games it was 50/50 on feeders/trolls you lost more then you gained based off the way the system is made.

Rueian7/16/2015, 9:14:32 PM2 votes

For bronze, play split pushing champions and just force towers.

NERDSMASHER50007/16/2015, 9:06:00 PM1 votes

elo hell isn't real

i got out of mid bronze on a smurf in < 30 games

magic pole7/16/2015, 10:26:29 PM1 votes

"how do i get out of elo hell?"

You get better.

I'm high gold (i.e., not very good at this game), and playing against bronze players is a joke. Sometimes it feels even easier than bots. Playing vs. silver isn't as stupid, but it's still typically easy. Often, mechanics wise, bronze and silver players can use their champion quite well in terms of laning and teamfights/skirmishes. What separates the leagues however is decision making. And no doubt about it, bronze players are the worst at decision making.

elo hell is when you reach the rank where you play against players that are on average about just as good as you.

I'm not saying there probably aren't a lot of afks and trolls in bronze, but if you're way better than bronze (gold +), you will consistently be put in a good position to carry the game. Some games will be unwinnable, but for the most part you would smash everyone in that league.

DrtyTrolls7/16/2015, 9:33:16 PM1 votes

Here's an example of ELO Hell that no one can deny.

I have 4 accounts, my first account ever I made back in season2 and burned through lvls until i got to 30 and immediately started playing ranked games. Yeah i was bad and had no reason as to why i was. Was bronze 5 with 0 lp but i just kept playing because it was "fun". But as i started to get better i realized how many trolls there were and how i wanted to rank up to get out of it. So i practiced a lot. Heres the problem I had lost so many games at bronze5 IP 0 that my mmr was trash. I was getting 6 points for wins and -18-22 points for losses. At that point i decided to make another account. the following year I tried to win placements with original account because i had so many skins and champs (spent hundreds on it) I went 7/10, guess what, was placed in bronze5, why, well.....MMR doesnt resit.....EVER. So that account has literally no chance of ever getting out.

BTW i have 4 accounts from bronze5 - gold3 but there is no way in hell i could ever win enough to pull my original account from b5.

Lugg7/16/2015, 9:15:03 PM1 votes

From my experience, the biggest thing to overcome in Bronze is to not get frustrated and mad. It really does make you go on tilt. That is what ELO hell really is. If you have a game where you play great and lose because your team were idiots, take a break for a bit. Don't play again until it's out of your system and you are ready again to carry.

Personally, I bet I have lost almost 100 games due to being on tilt and not even realizing it.