Sett's Regeneration Gives A Confusing Counter-patterm

Winner Bot·2/4/2020, 7:06:42 AM·27 votes·9,605 views

Sett's massive regeneration makes people confused in what pattern should they trade with him.

Some champions, such as and thrives on extended duels where pretty much no one can beat them in prolonged fights. Therefore the solution is to take short trades with them and gtfo immediately. Thats why mobile champions, such as and and good against them.

Sett however, displays a contradicting trend. You cannot burst him down, because the faster you burst him down, the faster he has his Haymaker (W) ready at full potential. Slowly chip him down? Nah, his massive regeneration makes sure you cannot effectively poke him down as well.

In a game design perspective, anyone has ideas on why is this champion designed in this way?

50 Comments

MaskedMadness2/4/2020, 10:57:41 AM10 votes

i havent seen a way to really fight a sett. i OTP rengar top and have an understanding on how to counter playstyles instead of even champions specifically and i just can not think of one for sett.

jump in for short trade? cant, he will E W me and probably get 1 or 2 punches in.

long trade? not even really possible on rengar but sett will win that anyways.

im lucky that rengar with his EMP speed lets him just barely get out of his W range but thats if the sett isnt smart and just throws W without stunning.

there really isnt a way to just beat him. grievs is rarely useful in this game and clearly wont work on him. build tank but he is a tank aswell so it doesnt matter to him(and his true damage).

all in all its just. you cant short trade him because you wont do enough damage for it to matter but you also cant long trade him because he will always win that. so you basically just cant hit him or you will be punished. :/

Zertryx2/4/2020, 5:11:22 PM6 votes

yeah i never understood why sett gets massive Regen (more then garens?) as well as a HUGE shield, honestly i think you should only get the shield if you Hit with the center part of your W and the regen should be cut down a little

Zerenza2/4/2020, 8:50:40 AM5 votes

The fact of the matter is that Sett has a very simple kit, it's easy to pick up, offer's a large enough amount of skill expression for the player and has a fairly high ceiling as well. This is all great.

Couple that with the fact he has no Gapcloser, one Situational Hard CC(His E) and his Ultimate being fairly low damage Hard CC. Then add in the fact that his W is actually really easy to dodge(It takes nearly a long time from start to finish) he would, if he weren't so strong number's wise, be in a much more balanced state. The fact of the matter is that the only thing making him OP is that his W scales to hard, his regeneration is to powerful and his base stats are too high this means that his Simple Kit is actually making it harder to play against him since what would normally be a good way to dodge/counter him doesn't work how it should and the person playing sett doesn't really have to work all that hard to make up for the weaknesses of the champion.

It isn't a Champion Design issue, it's a number's issue.

Vectros2/4/2020, 8:52:25 PM4 votes

I mentioned this as part of his issue on my own take and got downvoted. His regen rivals Garens, on average. It's a free dorans regen, constantly.

The Bad Touch2/4/2020, 2:50:03 PM4 votes

Being poked on Set?

item 3047 or item 3111 item 1054 item 3077 item 1006

What is poke?

FSRER2/4/2020, 7:16:32 PM4 votes

His Regen is the only thing that should be nerfed down. Sett's abilities have no costs and due to his **insanely **high regen (alongside with the large base health pool), it makes playing against him as a champion with mana costs and adding the fact that Teleport was gutted (Thanks ADC mains and no TP should **NOT **be removed from the game) just makes him extremely hard to outlane. I know he was designed to be a anti fighter/tank, juggernaut but let's keep it at that.

IMelchorI2/4/2020, 10:33:30 PM2 votes

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Sett however, displays a contradicting trend. You cannot burst him down, because the faster you burst him down, the faster he has his Haymaker (W) ready at full potential.

this is probably going to get me downvoted but it is still true.

you can dodge the ability.

sett is immobile in place for half a second while he charges and unleashes the ability. if you burst him down and anticipate that he will use it against you you can use that to your advantage and dodge behind him or to the side.

haymaker only deals true damage in the center line.

Smyrage2/4/2020, 11:07:51 PM2 votes

I don't know why it is a problem that one juggernaut has a different countering pattern than others.

CrazyFrogEye2/4/2020, 8:07:26 PM2 votes

What really gets me is that the regen doesnt have any reason being there in the first place. He already has a fairly unique and thematically fitting passive with his double punches. I dont get why a champ thats already pretty strong in trades gets this additional safety cushion when he does manage to get out traded.

I guess riot were scared that with no gapcloser he would be to vulnerable to being poked down, but, well you know thats sorta the price you pay for having good trades and all-ins.

The Flashless2/4/2020, 2:40:57 PM2 votes

This is what I've been saying. Sett mitigates the traditional weaknesses of Juggernauts thanks to his passive. "Poke him down" isn't feasible unless you're manaless(you'll otherwise run out of mana) AND make zero mistakes because he can punish very hard. He can poke harder than most champions can poke him, and trying to all-in him is often suicide. They really need to remove his passive regen if they want him to have the counterplay that Juggernauts usually have.

If only people could accept how problematic his passive is instead of saying "he has the perfect kit, it's only numbers." His passive truly shouldn't be on a Juggernaut. It'd be like giving an ADC a passive that grants a high amount of HP or armor & MR. When the best form of counterplay to ADCs is blowing them up, that passive is a no-no. When the best form of counterplay to Juggernauts is poking them down, Sett's passive is also a no-no.

Posui Gart2/4/2020, 11:09:31 AM2 votes

Burst, dodge W and keep fighting once his shield is over. Or just poke him down. His passive regeneration pre-6 is 0.25 hp regen per 5% missing health, so even at 80% missing health its just 4 hp/sec, its not "massive" at all.

BigBenClockTower2/5/2020, 3:41:55 AM1 votes

Bramble Vest and Executioner's Calling makes dueling him over extended periods of time far easier since you damage mitigate and cut his regen. Just my scrub takes though, so what do I know?

Salty Mc Feed2/5/2020, 7:37:29 AM1 votes

Fast decisive trades and you need to disengage...far away.... which isn't easy.... especially when he can ult you, you also gotta repeat that if you expect to actually beat him. Or you just fight him using your 4 dashes to completely outplay him, which is kinda hard too, except when you play Akali. Don't ask for reasoning or "design perspective"... we are talking about Riot games here, yea Sett has too many strengths, period.

Jar Jar binks l2/4/2020, 12:58:56 PM1 votes

Yorick hey I beat them in long fights

Thefrostyviking2/5/2020, 10:29:43 AM1 votes

The way to beating Sett comes forks in two.

Repeated short trades, regen wont help much without sufficient time.
Longer all in where you dodge his true damage and ideally the AD part as well or at least mitigate it.

However this is all made a fair bit harder than it should be because he is overturned and his W either scales too well or has too low a downtime for how good it is.

Third option would be to slow it down i suppose.

Frontline Fury2/5/2020, 12:51:19 PM1 votes

They wanted him to be like Mordekaiser and Illaoi . No downtime, no windows of weakness.

Lovelle2/4/2020, 11:51:24 PM1 votes

If it wasn't for his regen, he could actually be a balanced champion.

Minimac20002/4/2020, 11:54:59 PM1 votes

Complain about him after he gets nerfed, my guess is he will be dumpster tier in two days lol

Dewott6102/5/2020, 12:38:29 AM1 votes

I only know of a few champions that can really beat him Urgot can destroy him and Kayle can just disengage whenever/slow him when he tries to get close, Jax could go either way