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What to do in these scenarios

hi im Godric·8/22/2016, 8:43:12 PM·1 votes·1,076 views

All help appreciated, answer what you can!

Scenario #1 -If the enemy team won a lane and pushed tier 1 turret and then went to another lane pressured it and got that lane's tier 1 turret and now they are running in our jungle killing our jungler and picking people up. Questions:

  1. Jungler can't farm anymore, the enemy team live in our jungle, what should the jungle/team do?
  2. Wards might be an answer to the first question, if so, where to ward?
  3. If we do ward, how do we defeat them in our jungle if they are ahead and wining hard already (2 turrets for 0)

Scenario #2 -I am getting countered, the enemy can 100-0 me easy. We just start the game, I am farming under my turret but even when I go for farm I still get poked down. Assume our Jungler is afk. Questions:

  1. How do I farm/win my lane?
  2. I am pushed to my core, I simply can't gank other lanes or else the enemy will take my turret and I lose cs if the gank ends up with no benefit. any ideas what else I can do?

Scenario #3 -We are neither ahead nor behind. Both teams are equal in power, I am someone who can initiate a fight (a bruiser/tank maybe). Their carries are simply NOT getting out of position for me to go in on them. Question:

  1. Should I wait for them to jump on us or me jump on them even if I can't catch a carry out of position?
  2. Should someone split push?
  3. If our carry get out of position and boom caught by the enemy team and there is a fight, should I run of their carries or try to hit whoever is on my carry? (keep in mind this is 5v5)

Thanks guys all help appreciated it!

7 Comments

1st Movement8/22/2016, 8:48:40 PM1 votes

Scenario #2 depends on which champion match up

You can concede the lane and farm and do minor trades

Lv 6 is always a good time to make plays else where

Ex. Lb vs tf Hit 6 and make roams Rush a roa or abysall but during lane phase you need to stay outside of lb range and farm with q

It is ok to give up cs bc tf passive makes up for it

Subtweet8/22/2016, 9:09:05 PM1 votes

Scenario #1 1.This depends on whether all lanes are losing or not. If they're too busy running around your jungle, then send some team members to distract them while someone else tries to get objectives. 2. Ward in areas you've previously seen them, as well as the river bushes. 3. Stop focusing on fighting them in your jungle because you'll end up losing due to their advantage. Go for objectives instead. However, in some cases if your team composition is garbage (no cc/tank) compared to theirs, there isn't much you can do to prevent this. In other cases, if you know your team can outscale them, try to stall the game so you have a chance of coming back.

Scenario #2

  1. Keep farming under turret because chances are they can immediately kill you if you overextend. Look for opportunities when they back to get minions. It depends what champion you're playing, but if you're getting poked down under turret and you have no sustain in your kit, I would suggest buying healing potions so you can stay in lane longer without having to back every two seconds.
  2. Sometimes if you're that behind, letting the enemy take the tier 1 turret will actually benefit you. You can farm much more safely, and if your opponent chooses to stay that far up, try to ask for a gank because the chances of them dying are far greater. Most of the times your opponent will leave your lane if they get the first turret and look to roam elsewhere. This gives you a chance to catch up, just make sure to warn your team if they're overextending with no wards.
Navarune8/22/2016, 9:30:32 PM1 votes

Scenario #1: This seems to be a very common problem (at my elo, at least) where people and teams do not know how to play from behind, so I'll toss out a few ideas here. Bear in mind I'm a support main so I look at it from this perspective.

  1. If you lost your lane/turret, then you help the jungle reclaim his camps in whatever fashion you can. You have effectively adopted a support role at that point and have less impact on the game that your direct opponent (this is highly generalized of course, and is not meant to be a permanent state). You ward, you help him contest, you follow him if he decides to invade, etc. Additionally, you can try to impact the one lane that has not yet lost and try to establish an advantage there.

OR

If you are in the one lane that has not lost it's tier 1 turret yet, you ward the gank paths the enemy will take to you and then you apply as much pressure on your lane as you can safely apply. The goal here is to maintain what little advantage your team has, but you have to preserve your own point of power; meaning, if the enemy team comes to take your tower too, and your team is not in a position to defend it, then you concede it as well without giving them a kill. Losing towers sucks, but dying and then losing towers sucks more. Also, if you are still up then you can either reset the lane or potentially contest neutral objectives.

  1. You ward where it is safe to do so, and then expand your ward lines from there. If you can only ward the bush just outside your base gate, then you ward the shit outta that little banana. Then, when you know then enemy has pulled back some, you group as best you can and push the ward line out. At this point, vision is the only thing keeping you safe, and if you don't have vision in your own jungle then it is no longer your jungle. A more complete answer to the question is this: priority goes to the gate bush, raptor camp bush, and the bush near the first jungle entrance as you enter Brambleback jungle from blue side bot lane. On the other side of the jungle, you ward wolves, the brush between wolves and Sentinel, and then the big intersection between Sentinel and Gromp.

  2. You only take fights you know you can win, and this actually plays off of both of the other answers. You nurture whatever advantage your team has and you protect it with vision. When that vision reveals that you have a potential pick, you take it... ONLY if you are quite certain of winning it. This is in between potential contests at neutral objectives and passive lane farming. The idea is to look at the strongest point of scaling power on your team (you have a capable Ryze mid/top? Or a Vayne?) and to funnel as much farm into them as possible.

There are two things this meta has proven to me, and I see both of them very regularly in my elo. It is very, very hard to play from behind with the power of snowballing from first turret blood; and people still don't know how NOT to overstay. The second point is where the comeback lies, but you cannot overlook the advantage 1200 gold brings to a team in spite of you getting free kills from their overstaying mistake. You have to punish every possible mistake, and you need awareness of how to contest or steal neutral objectives to remain relevant.