Boards›Gameplay

S + Nearly Impossible On Certain Champs While Being Too Easy On Others?

Galaxyburstz·10/26/2018, 8:31:50 PM·9 votes·4,070 views

Btw: This Is My First Post on the Forums, and I think that Gameplay is the right area to place this. Also, correct me if I'm wrong at all on any fact, I am very open to constructive criticism and it would be greatly appreciated.

Backstory: So I started playing League today last year because I was tired of reading those memes and not understanding them, I then leveled up to Level 30 maining Lucian Mid Lucian, after I hit Level 40 I realized the game is more fun to play when you use and learn a variety of champions rather than a one trick. I played several more mid lane assassins Ahri Akali AurelionSol Bard Diana Ekko Fizz Irelia Kaisa Katarina Lulu Orianna Talon Syndra Taliyah Yasuo Zed, I cluelessly played these champions loving how quickly they could delete someone in mid-late game if they properly farmed, killed, and itemized to the enemies team composition (with the exception of Aurelion Sol and Ap Bard Mid). I watched a video and loved how flashy and spectacular Katarina's Katarina kit looked and decided to pick her up, play her up to 60k mastery points, buy all of her non-legendary skins, buy Deathsworn & Project when they were in my shop and now I just want one thing: A Level 7 Mastery.

I learned that the way the grading system works is that your CS/minute, K/D/A, objectives taking, vision control, and many other hidden underlying factors give you a grade corresponding to how others do in your role with that same champion. I played Yasuo Yasuo and recieved 2 mastery shard to lvl 6 mastery only 6 games apart (went 40/1/4 504 cs and 35/3/18 with 371 cs) but I'm not upgrading those (yet) as I don't main Yasuo. I went 32/2/13 as Katarina mid with 290 cs at 45 minutes and only got an A + (cs was low but obtaining cs i hard in the early game without constantly being poked by a smart player, just wait until the minions are low and throw a Q then wait for the cooldown and repeat while melee'ing the front non-castor minions. I recently went 21/1/9 and 18/1/16 and recieved an A + in both games, like I'm being held back from gaining those Lvl 6 Mastery Tokens. I am no good player, just popped off in a few games and am not rewarded. I did my research and learned that supports assists count as kills, plus non tank supports and 100% of ADC's have low base health so there are double the amount of people to easily and quickly kill. I know Katarina Katarina roams to bot lane a lot because she snowballs off of kills, so with my 1000 Bronze 4 Iq I said why not bring her to the bot lane and not have her leave her main lane for some kills. I also learned that since your preformance is compared to other splayers preformance in those roles, than most people would be trolling with Katarina support or ADC. Turns out : No

29/1/12 as support Katarina with full support item at 45 minutes: A + 26/3/14 as support Katarina with full support Item at 37 minutes: A +

Please tell me how a total of 29 + 12 = 41 kills as Katarina support doesn't give you an S + Or Maybe Katarina Supports are all just challenger smurfs with busted AF K/D/A ratios, making it impossible to get an S + on her. Also, I know it isn't impossible because I know 4 people who have Lvl 7 masteries on Kat. I just guess I'll have to keep grinding games.
Katarina summoner 14 Katarina summoner 14 Katarina summoner 14Katarina

Discuss. ^ _ ^

32 Comments

Z3Sleeper10/26/2018, 9:16:30 PM4 votes

Cuz other people are doing even BETTER than that. They're setting the S bar way higher.

Inkling Commando10/26/2018, 9:13:11 PM4 votes

i know the feel. was trying to get at least S- with Quinn but every game i did exceptionally well on the grade system just says "fuck you A+" so i just gave up on that.

MrHaZeYo10/26/2018, 9:43:53 PM3 votes

Grades are based on players around your elo on that champion.

Vekkna10/26/2018, 8:54:09 PM3 votes

CS and vision score count toward your rating. FWIW, Katarina was by far the hardest mastery 7 I've gotten, but that was before her rework.

PickleLorde10/27/2018, 12:33:03 AM3 votes

I also love going 19/3/19 as Jayce and having double the amount of damage of anyone else in the game, then getting A+. Then playing a game on Galio where I go 2/3/7 and getting an S-.

Tanerian10/27/2018, 10:49:48 AM3 votes

The grades are based off of the average stats of players using that champion.

So if you are getting an S+ you're in the top % of stats for others using that champ at your elo. It's not a grade of how well you played that champ in general, just how well vs other players.

Dragons10/27/2018, 6:20:33 PM2 votes

Your games are really long.

Eleshakai10/27/2018, 6:26:11 PM2 votes

um... support Katarina... so... what was your vision score?

Bløød Zerø10/27/2018, 6:39:58 PM2 votes

It also checks your build and how well you did on your build alongside all the other factors like role, vision, cs, teamfight/kill participation, how much you moved around the map (roaming, backing up team in jg, etc.), how much damage you dealt, how much damage you took, how much damage you healed/protected others from; anything that can be remotely compared to another Kat will be and you if you can't get almost all of that in the top 25% of best Kat games concerning any and all stats you do not get the s. Kat is difficult cus she either does extremely well or horribly bad. So getting an s would mean breaking limits and being better than a plat kat main averaged out stats most probably. Maybe when playing support Kat actually build supporty. Twin shadows, locket of iron solari and then your regular assassin items. Or try jungle Kat and remember to counter if and take enemy camps and scuttles. Idk I found this out by playing support Vlad back when I was bronze and building support got me an s with worse of every other stat than when I simply laned support and didn't build it.

Bløød Zerø10/27/2018, 6:51:49 PM2 votes

Tbh you first and foremost problem I didn't write in my comment was your inability to close the game. To get a good grade they look at the length of the game. If it doesn't end fast enough then it shows you lack the prowess to close a game early despite being very ahead. So the longer the game goes the amount you need to make an s get vastly harder and more intense. But if you could get half your kda you get in half the time you spent playing the game and then end it you would most likely get an s more easily than a 45 minute game...

Bobloser355510/26/2018, 8:40:08 PM2 votes

yeah i noticed that too take my 2 mains: on Trynda for example it is very hard to get an S on Malphite it very easy

usul120210/26/2018, 9:09:07 PM2 votes

I'm 99% sure that S's are role dependent as well. I've had vel mid games where I've popped off and not gotten my s, but solid team play games on supp have gotten me one. Kat supp isn't very popular, so being in the top performers for that role would be difficult.

If it isn't, gold income is a big thing. Farming usually nets more gold than kills, especially if you're farming the same people over and over again, which would lessen your overall chances of s.

ForFoxSakes10/26/2018, 10:07:16 PM2 votes

Support isnt about grabbing a shit ton of kills. Learn to ward and control vision Also because you went into duo bot lane and didnt build a support item it won't flag you as playing support, it'll be as a laner at which CS is heavily measured against you which you wont get as a "support" duo bot laner

^Best answer that no one factored in that you actually arent support

FeelingOrnny10/27/2018, 12:14:40 AM2 votes

I hear you brother im an RGM aram main some games I've gotten s rank when i was doing shit or from people chasing me as yorick with my piranhas niping at their heels lul.....Now I want that as a skin. Then a 25 min ornn game with 60 grasp stacks that more than my cho,sion and 75% participation and I barely get an A rank.

Pandemic Punch10/27/2018, 10:55:13 AM2 votes

The answer is almost always CS. 290 CS is terrible in a 45 minute game. You probably could have got an S with 290 CS in a 30 minute game.

SEKAI10/27/2018, 11:11:53 AM2 votes

It factors in the other players who are also playing the champ.

The more popular the champ is, it's obvious that there are also a very high amount of players performing exceptionally well on them too. So it's much harder to achieve S rank given you'd be compared with them.

While if you're playing some low pick-rate champ that most people don't play (or better, someone nobody plays), it's far easier to get S with. Because there are just not that many people playing them, as well as since they are not meta, most people probably don't perform that well on them and so the reference benchmark for S on those champs would become considerably lower.

........

Lastly, the system has a heavy CS bias. Basically, you can farm like a monster and still get good grades even if you have been out of most fights and/or having unremarkable KDA.

Consider doing farming simulator as a grade booster if you have to.

........

However, good grades and all. The team comes first. I do not condone playing solely for the sake of KDA and hugging all the farm while ignoring all of your team. It's a good thing to strife for, but it should never be the end goal.

AromaticSesame12/9/2019, 8:10:10 AM1 votes

Was actually amused to see the ad player on FPX, the 2019 champion team, did not even get to level 7 on kai'sa in EU server over the course (feel free to correct me; I remember I was surprised).

He was fairly heavily doing OTP that time. Then I started to take mastery level ez.

floo12/9/2019, 10:04:08 AM1 votes

In games where you're so incredibly ahead, you shouldnt have problems to inflate your cs by taking jungle camps whenever you can. Go counterjungle, keep up wards so they dont gang up on you. Buy controls to clear wards whenever you know they're there, gives more vision score than planting 1 per game into your river bush.

Also a friend of mine suggested that objective lasthits could matter. No clue if it's true, but she has several m6/m7 champs, so it might help ya. Gl!