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Why do people actively try to prevent themselves from being carried or assisted in winning.

Eons3·12/26/2018, 9:40:36 AM·28 votes·12,337 views

Why do people feel that top alone dictates top lane Why do people feel that mid alone dictates mid lane that junglers are the only ones that secure dragons supports are the only ones that ward adcs are the only late game carries and cant assist others that losing lane makes you a bad player that having another player on your team in a better position than you is bad that winning without being the sole factor is so bad that you would rather lose

  • Every lane is interconnected so why do people refuse to get help when they are 0/2 or 0/3 even if its a secured kill why would people rather never get assistance and let their enemy snowball off of them, or worse fall so far behind into uselessness that they lose the game out of stubborness. Why do people want to be the "Carries" in a game everyone knows has to much damage and everyone instantly explodes. Is a fed draven really more terrifying than a fed orianna ulting 5 people? Honestly looking for feedback on why league is full of people that honestly hate the 5v5 aspect of the game but still play it in ranked alone, and hold their team hostage. A skillful stun is just as strong as 2k dps, especially if that stun is on someone WITH 2k dps. Getting help from teammates only makes the team stronger. I can understand the whole, dont gank for the losing lane, but what if every other lane is winning, and their the ones ganking? Should top and bot roam if they are both winning, and use their lead, or should they stay in their own lanes because their mid doesnt want anyone in their lane and refuses to cooperate/might afk if they are helped. Not sure what makes League have so many egotists, like honest egotists. People that value themselves so far that they think if they get outplayed once they should lose the game, but ignore the fact they can actively out play an enemy with jg help. What makes following up a WW R landing on the enemy mid LESS SKILLFUL than a yasuo E Q R-ing a neeko mid after he windwalled her root( he totally eats the Q ignite and R but doesn't die because Passive and triumph). Why do people value one avenue of skill over another so much that they honestly will lose the game for 4 other skillful people, just because 1 other person on the enemy team did slightly better than they did (especially confusing when its jax winning vs tryndamere or something).

28 Comments

lilpokfluf12/26/2018, 3:04:13 PM21 votes

Anime

Ungrateful Thug12/26/2018, 7:34:56 PM9 votes

Essentially the mentality of "If I'm not carrying, then I'm not having fun. And if I'm not having fun, no one will."

Warlord Rhinark12/26/2018, 10:35:36 AM7 votes

Pride.

SUPERSATANA12/26/2018, 12:47:15 PM7 votes

Delusion.

Malix Farwin12/26/2018, 7:58:32 PM3 votes

The simple answer is what no one said here. Its not about "ego" or "delusions" or any of that mess. Its about "Distrust". Every guide you read, every place you go to tell you not to "trust" your teammates. This comes down to people simply not trusting people to do things properly. For example, and i am guity of this myself, mid lane not trusting the jungler to properly gank their lane without giving up a free kill because they have seen it enough times to take the risk of not having them gank. It doesn't really matter that one jg may be worlds apart from the other but the distrust is already there and guides and sites are certainly not helping in that regard as well.

This is just basic human nature though, you aren't going to trust random strangers with your own success(in this case elo).

TheSingularity12/27/2018, 6:38:19 AM2 votes

Boredom. Unless one is crushing the enemy, one does not enjoy their time. If one does not enjoy their time they have zero incentive to try and every incentive to make the game end asap to try their gamble next game. This appears to be the mindset plaguing the game. But most don't do the last part, at least not blatantly. They'll endlessly split, let allies/towers die but they'll remain relevent enough and silent in chat so that nothing can be pinned on them. It is a very difficult problem to stop due to how covert it is.

DarwinTheory12/26/2018, 12:48:25 PM2 votes

Becuase matchmaking removes so much player impact.

When matchmaking removes so much player influence people being apathetic.

If I am top. I don't feed. my jungler camps his premade. Their jungler camps me. I think to myself "why should I carry this monkey?" "I am helping him climb. For being bad. He's not even taking free kills when the enemy sits under my tower 10 minutes".

If that was higher Elo the enemy would have been ganked and killed 5x and I'd be two towers up.

There's a reason high Elo players don't derp charge lanes no matter how easy they dominate......

Put me with a team like that I stop caring. That simple. I don't feel valued or appreciated.

Oh and the worst ones are the "OMFG you noob you're 0/0/0 after 15 mins" remarks when you DONT feed Vs a counter with zero help. Say that to me in game and you can immediately forget any help from that moment forwards.

BigFBear12/26/2018, 7:51:02 PM2 votes

I hate people who give up and start trolling when they are behind but our ADC is 9:2:5. They just cant imagin that is it possible winning a game without them being the carrys. Such egocentric idiots.

agac423412/26/2018, 7:24:59 PM1 votes

ur wrong tho. ppl like getting help. they just dont like it when the help that comes feeds there laner even more. and nobody usaully gives any help to others they just farm there own lane until the laneing phase ends and then they start flaming each other

Tomoe Gozen12/27/2018, 12:12:11 AM1 votes

People can be whiny babies sometimes. There is no shame in playing badly but still working towards a victory with your team, not everyone can be an MVP in the same game. Hell, an MVP may be a perfect Baron steal from your support that gives your team enough time and staying power to delay a push and ultimately, turn a loss into a win. It could be as something as a perfect shield timing and winning a lost teamfight.

Literally anything can be a perfect moment to do something that turns the tide of the battle in your team's favor but some individuals just don't understand that you can't be running around in a game being invincible, with the best CS score and perfect KDA/assists, doing 1v9s.

There are gonna be games where you're just being way too focused on not dying to an enemy engage and if you work around that weakness (adapt to your situation), there's still hope. Many, many people just give up when the game takes a turn for the worst and they immediately just stop trying if they're not "carrying" the game by playing a "carry" champion.

Fire Blaustoise12/27/2018, 2:27:41 AM1 votes

Why do people feel that top alone dictates top lane

Nobody think so, mainly if they're top mains.

What makes following up a WW R landing on the enemy mid LESS SKILLFUL than a yasuo E Q R-ing a neeko mid after he windwalled her root( he totally eats the Q ignite and R but doesn't die because Passive and triumph).

Who f*cking care ??? When a Riven (insert any "skilled champ") kill me in <1 sec i really dont care how hard she is to play.

WitchQueen Annie12/27/2018, 3:52:24 AM1 votes

If top feeds very hard, it’s 80 percent over unless some other lane on your team is ahead. A fed Jax/Garen is 80 percent of the time going to just tie up too much resources to deal with.

And I don’t get it either. If you lose lane it should be at most 0/2/0. Sure get behind by 30 cs if you have to but yesterday I saw a 7/0 Maokai by 10 mins. How do you lose this hard? And to a freaking Maokai?????

Jg should never Gank a losing lane because it will just add to the feed. In fact, it’s better to be forcing plays/Ganking a winning lane than a losing one.

14daysuspensionk12/27/2018, 9:07:34 AM1 votes

Because it's the same as being walked around in a stroller.

FéliXXX12/27/2018, 10:44:48 AM1 votes

i think most pl dont mind it at all but sometimes if you have an INTeresting jungler that ''push'' ur waves for no reason and act big the whole game you are not ''motivated'' to win

Vlada Cut12/27/2018, 1:28:47 PM1 votes

Because peolle are so egoistical and ignorrant. They think they whole match is all about just them, the moment they win their lane, they say it's gg ez, when they lose then they straight up give up or in worst scenario start trolling or intentional feeding and last but not least "ff this garbage team".

CauseSCIENCE12/26/2018, 12:49:13 PM1 votes

Both.

Hunkcules12/26/2018, 2:42:18 PM1 votes

Culture.

Quiet Dude12/26/2018, 3:05:42 PM1 votes

1v9

saltran12/26/2018, 3:36:52 PM1 votes

I dont, this a team game and that's why I always rather play on premade to help the ones that are behind and not to steal all my midlaner's farm.

TheProfezzor12/26/2018, 5:07:20 PM1 votes

A bit long so I didn't read it all but I am noticing this in low elo. I have a new acct in Iron not silver (I've been low gold/high plat) so I can carry often enough but man it is so strange seeing people not listen to calls when I am very obviously hard carrying. They won't fight with me, take objectives.... like they have to do the bare minimum for a free win and they don't do it. It's annoying as hell and shows why they are in the elo they are.

Śhunpo12/26/2018, 6:45:27 PM1 votes

Because a lot of the time we're not used to teammates being better than ourselves since usually our teammates are garbage in comparison. That's not my perspective of it, that's just a good generalised view of the topic at hand.

Cats Are Food12/26/2018, 6:46:34 PM1 votes

There is a seriously flawed mentality in the game now of:

"I COULD 1v1 YOU BRO!"

as if they have something to prove to pixels online.

Nyarlathοtep12/26/2018, 11:32:58 PM

A mix of what others say. And a bit of my personal experience since i just happen to have a friend who is, lets just say, utter garbage in lol, at least in common sense wise. He is the type of player that brags about his kda and when he loses he immediately blames his teammates.

Anyway moving on, people are just way to stubborn and well, stupid. My friend calls yasuo perfectly balanced and whenever i come with an argument as to why he objectively is not, he dismisses it. But dear god if i mention some champs with clear as a sky counterplay. Lissandra, syndra, malzahar (he doesnt even cry about his point and click cc), garen, everytankinfuckingexistance and mordekaiser to name a few, he goes APESHIT. He genuinely believes that are broken and unfun. Now he can be right about unfun. But broken? Can you really call (apart mordekaiser and his myriads of bugs) garen BROKEN? Whenever i tell him the counterplay to the above champs he straight up ignores me and in the event that does attempt to hear me out, he just calls it unfun. In which case he can be right. The problem with yasuo akali and their kin is that they are mostly unfun to play against. However im having extremely difficulties understanding how the FUCK its fun to play vs yasuo yet not against lissandra.

Im apologizing for this minirant but the average human being has quite low intelligence. In DnD humans have an intelligence of 10 (on a scale of 20) more or less on average. In real life humans have an intelligence of 7-6 on average. Thats how stupid some of us are.