True damage

Puffin Chucker·2/2/2019, 5:18:19 PM·77 votes·18,134 views

Why does riot have such a fetish for true damage on certain champions? For instance Vayne. Don't get me wrong it's nice to be able to play an adc and not have to change your build to counter a tank, but this is just too much. She as well as basically all adc's with infinity edge never have to build any armour pen to stop a tank. Even a fed one. In my opinion a tank that is building specifically to counter an adc should require that adc to build armour penetration or something that will hinder them from their preferred build. At the moment anyone who builds with true damage like Darius or Irelia or adc's should have to change their build at least a little bit to stop a tank.

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BALDG1VEN BOOMER2/2/2019, 5:32:07 PM51 votes

https://imgur.com/a/SU2Li1u

This picture pretty much summarizes Riot not giving a fuck.

Armor in 2019 OMEGALUL

Velasan2/2/2019, 8:40:48 PM8 votes

Right, so the answer to your question is because in the past most true damage was a flat amount. So, for example you use Vayne. She has true damage, but it's a conversion for an amount already set to do % health damage of the opponents HP. The amount it does is always based off the enemies health and rank in silver bolts.

Where it started to go wrong was they gave true damage to variable conversion rates, aka Camille Q, Conqueror etc. Those numbers change wildly throughout the game and are part of a champions normal quick rotation. If you can wait a second to get Conqueror/Camille Q you get a big burst of true damage and without the use of an ult.

For another example, take a look at cheapshot rune. Not many people take it. A lot of people think it's pretty bad. It also does true damage, but the amount is a flat number. True damage only gets really crazy when we have abilities and runes converting it into large amounts, it was originally intended as a way to make sure certain characters would be better at getting past tanks and not get stone walled by one on the enemy team. Vayne would be pretty awful without her silver bolts because of her low range, a tank would easily catch up to her and just sit on her until she died. Similarly Jhin has HP damage on his fourth shot to deal with tanks for the same reason, he's immobile and would be easy to focus by a tanky opponent.

I'm probably forgetting something, but the only time in the past we had variable true damage was with Cho'gath ult, and that's meant as an execute.

Vayne has gone through a lot of ups and downs in the recent seasons and they've buffed her several times to keep her relevant.

Lestat S462/3/2019, 7:02:14 PM6 votes

The real problem with Vayne is that She deals %HP True Damage. The counter to True Damage is to build HP since they ignore your armor. The counter to %HP damage is to build armor because Armor will reduce the damage after the %HP is calculated. SHE DOES BOTH! So it doesnt matter whether you build HP or armor the only thing you can build to counter is atk speed slows to try and get less hits from her and since every vayne builds rageblade and atk speed that doesnt do anything. Silver Bolts needs to do True Damage OR %HP Damage. Both is broken.

Festive Bear2/2/2019, 6:38:57 PM5 votes

It's a very inefficient way to counter tank meta, because without it Vayne would be forced to use her brain for once and build appropriately and god knows that can't happen

VonCesaw2/3/2019, 1:35:33 AM4 votes

Riot is trying to completely choke out tanks, because the kids that spend the most money on skins [IE Whales] don't want to play/play against tanks

It's all about juggernauts now baby, because nothing spells fun like an assassin with 5000 health and 200 of each resist Aatrox Illaoi Fiora Garen Gnar JarvanIV Jax Nasus Renekton Sion Urgot XinZhao item 1401 item 1413 item 4103 item 3193 item 3022 item 3025 item 3075 item 3065 item 3053 item 3071 item 3742 item 3026 item 3095

Meanwhile regular CC tanks get nerfed even if irrelevant if it means that a champ with expensive skins is unviable Any item with an active that affects more than 1 person is limited to support only, even if it means that buying it gimps you hard. Struggling to survive when you get blown up in ~.70 seconds. If it's too good, we remove it fro the game RIP Alistar Braum Ornn Skarner Trundle Volibear TahmKench Zac Sejuani Rakan Nautilus Malphite item 3190 item 3222 item 3056 item 3309 item 3050 item 3306 item 2065 item 3109

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The thigh guy2/2/2019, 6:58:36 PM4 votes

Here’s the thing with Vayne. The true damage is really all she has. Her cc is stupidly unreliable, her q is just one chunk auto that really doesn’t do much until she gets crit, and even then it’s not much. Her ult is litteraly just a ad steroid (and a bad one at that) that gives her stealth on her q (stealth is stupid, plz remove the entire mechanic rito) and her passive is 20 or 30 ms towards enemies.

That’s her entire kit without her w. That’s really it. She just a strictly worse twitch. And I mean 75% of the champion twitch it.

Rathar Dashing2/2/2019, 6:36:19 PM2 votes

Vayne is just benefitting from direct buffs after systematic nerfs. Once players were able to adjust to her after all the changes, they found a new build which took advantage of her changes and now she's OP again. All they need to do is lower the true damage on her W, but I think waiting until after the crit item changes go through will be a good decision.

Cotten Eyed Joe2/3/2019, 12:56:26 AM2 votes

Well there are certain scenarios for certain adcs. You don't pick Jhin into a tanky enemy team, just like how you don't pick Ashe into an assassin enemy comp. Vayne struggles very hard in the late game. You should be abusing that. There's nothing wrong with true damage, as long as it isn't free and easy to acheive. Unless you want a repeat of season 7 tank meta.

shockprimex2/3/2019, 1:53:05 AM2 votes

What's your opinion on Velkoz

Vlada Cut2/3/2019, 3:18:09 PM2 votes

Having true damage every third auto attack on Vayne is fine. Hqving the same amoint of true damage every second auto attack on Vayne with item 3124 And double pen on non-true damage auto attacks is not.

Shiroyashayami2/3/2019, 5:29:09 AM1 votes

It is not only True damage. They love shields too. Look at Sylas, Neeko. Random shields on already decent kits.

Sir Saltarin2/2/2019, 9:40:55 PM1 votes

Well, on a week item 3031 will no longer have true dmg

Elohaven2/3/2019, 5:17:59 AM1 votes

Vayne's kit is designed to melt tanks without armor penetration. that's the point

a champ doing their job? wow