What are Lee Sin's strengths and weaknesses supposed to be?

Nameless Voice·12/9/2016, 1:02:53 AM·3 votes·1,313 views

So, Riot are looking to nerf Lee Sin, with the current idea being to take away some of the damage on his ultimate. I think just straight nerfing his numbers isn't the right solution.

Lee Sin has an identity problem. He is a generalist jungler, who is above average to excellent at a large array of different things. I feel that in order for him to be a truly healthy champion, he needs to have clear and specific strengths and weaknesses - areas where he excels and areas where he performs poorly, and reasons why you might pick him compared to another champion.

Right now he has:

Strengths:

  • Extremely high mobility
  • High safety (that is, he can often use his kit to get out of sticky situations)
  • Excellent objective control due to execute (second only to the objective champions like Nunu and Cho'gath)
  • Picking priority targets (with insec)
  • Manaless (means he can give up his first blue to bolster mid lane)
  • Strong ganks
  • Strong duellist
  • Strong disengage / peel
  • Hard to escape (one of the only junglers that you can't flash away from, since if he tags you with his mark, he has a very long time to decide to go in)

Strengths (lesser)

  • Above-average burst damage
  • Above average chasing (high movement speed, high mobility)
  • Decent sustain (not amazing)
  • Stealth reveal

Weaknesses:

  • Skillshot reliant (somewhat)
  • Somewhat lackluster lategame (though can still make good picks)
  • Energy-user
  • Mêlée

Fallacies:

  • High mechanical complexity

I'm mentioning this as a fallacy because I don't believe that being mechanically complex is a valid criteria for balance.

Which of these are supposed to be Lee Sin's specific strengths and weaknesses?

11 Comments

ChargeItDownMid12/9/2016, 1:14:45 AM3 votes

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OneMustFall12/9/2016, 1:07:56 AM1 votes

How can you not have high mechanical skill as a measure of balance? That makes no sense. That's the whole point of skill ceilings, so when you do pull off great plays you're rewarded for it. Lee Sin has a high skill ceiling and people who play him well should be able to pull off plays that someone with a low skill ceiling should not. It's the whole point of deciding whether to play easy or complex champions.

bbQsauçe12/9/2016, 1:31:40 AM1 votes

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LordGeovanni12/9/2016, 3:00:01 AM1 votes

Skill shot reliance isnt really that much of a glareing weakenss considering both teams move toward each other and melee champions cant really afford to adjust their pathing and not reach their target just to avoid some damage