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"why didn't you follow your laner noob"

71060670DEL1·8/6/2017, 6:01:39 AM·127 votes·4,495 views

Hello! It's your midlaner speaking. The one who's playing a scaling mid laner versus an assassin or burst mage who has an extremely high kill potential. I'm going to tell you exactly why I can't follow them.

Reason 1- I was forced to back. This one explains itself really. I had to take a bad back and my opponent roamed. I pinged it and told you I couldn't make it, but you still stayed overextended.

Reason 2- He can kill me. Yeah, that's right, i'm a noob azir who will get 1v1'd by the enemy zed if I try to follow. So if I ping my laner mia and ping you back, I will do my best to either gank another lane or get an objective(herald or push tower). But I absolutely cannot follow him without the very real possibility of him just flat out killing me.

Reason 3- The enemy jungler can intercept me. If I see him doing his blue and my laner is rotating to bot lane, I can not safely follow. It is then in your hands to fall back and either wait for them to leave, or wait for me to meet up with our jungler and come down.

Reason 4- They have global abilities. Okay, so let's say I follow my enemy TF. What generally happens is I wind up late to the fight, and cannot do anything to help you. So instead, I will just ping him whenever he enters fog of war, and will use the opportunity to push or gank another lane.

Now, there's more reasons, but there are the main ones. Before you go into that all chat to flame your mid laner for not following, keep these reasons in mind. Look at the big picture. Not every mid laner can simply follow the enemy mid laner. Have a little more nuance to your way of thinking, as it will generally help your mindset not only in game, but out of game as well.

114 Comments

Sasogwa8/6/2017, 9:07:56 AM66 votes

Hilarious how similarly as I'm under tower, shaco asks me as level 2 Nasus to go help him against invade against a lvl 3 renek + rengar.. Myeah sure i'm just gonna miss 15 minions and die because we're weaker 2v2 for the sake of the power of friendship. Dude pls

Sraeg20138/6/2017, 10:32:55 AM28 votes

TFW I play Syndra vs Zed/Fizz/LeBlanc and the bot lane flames me after I ping-spammed them to get the fuck back.

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Birdie Sànders8/6/2017, 10:17:13 AM19 votes

Yes thank you. As a (fellow?) Azir main I have to constantly explain to botlane that following the Talon who has disappeared into the jungle without vision, away from towers, minions, or my team, is not a desirable situation.

AR URF8/6/2017, 2:54:41 PM17 votes

Don't worry I got your back.

Reason 5: He backed to his base and ganked a lane instead of coming back to mid lane.

Me: ping ? Me: ping ? Enemy mid goes bot and gets a kill Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ? Teammate bot laner: ?

Nami Want Salami8/7/2017, 1:47:40 AM15 votes

TwistedFate ults botlane

Sona Jhin : Midlane where is the followup?

Orianna : Sorry forgot to use my twisted fate ultimate

Knoyle8/6/2017, 3:57:45 PM10 votes

MissFortune Hey Veigar your laner was here and you're still mid. Veigar yeah... why didn't you follow her? Veigar I can't 1v1 her so following her is bad for me right now. so you're just going to sit mid and do nothing? Veigar Yes, I'm going to sit mid and do nothing but farm so I can stack my passive and actually pose a threat mid - late game. MissFortune ugh fucking stupid troll kys. comes to take cs because premade. Veigar ..... boi...

LoLN0088/6/2017, 7:46:37 PM5 votes

"why didnt you follow the 2/1 fizz with 0 vision in the river?"

Torterra628/6/2017, 6:42:03 PM4 votes

i like when a lot of people expect you to reach a lane as fast a TF. like? lol no i cant move that fast

OMGSoAnnoying8/6/2017, 2:21:47 PM4 votes

Completely agreed. I most often mid on Veigar ... if I'm up against a Zed and he roams, my squishy immobile ass is not following him. I'm getting more stacks from Q-ing minions and hard pushing the wave to get that tower. If bot lane actually... I dunno, WARDS where a TP play can be more easily made for a squishy (aka not the river bushes -- teleporting right next to the Zed/Talon/etc isn't a good idea either), I may TP down there and counter the roam that way.

I've been howled at for not following, and my response is the same: "You want me to follow an assassin into a completely dark jg/river? That's dumb."

Now if I play Talon ? Sure. I'll roam... juuuust far enough to get out of vision and then pick off the enemy mid. If I'm fast enough, I can get into their side of the jg and wait in a bush that they face check. If you're a squishy mage, you may not even have the time to say "WTF?" before you're dead.

Limrick8/6/2017, 10:15:13 PM4 votes

I always find it funny how I ping as Lux that the Fizz is missing then get flamed for not following him through our unwarded jungle. Like come on dude, I'd rather not add more bodies to the pile thanks.

Gelmous8/7/2017, 8:19:49 AM3 votes

if you can't follow your laner at least pink ward the mid river bush and the one behind red/blue, the amount of mid laners that don't ward those is ridiculous

Asudurga8/7/2017, 6:41:52 AM3 votes

Talon is bot lane 0.5 seconds after vanishing from lane

Bot: Report no followup.

Veigar K, I'll just wear my fucking quantum boots.

Auroramancer8/6/2017, 2:39:49 PM2 votes

"Use minimap noob"

Hi, this is your bot/top laner. You didn't ping missing on your mid lane, and I'm going to tell you exactly why minimap does not answer all of my queries, but your pings can:

Reason 1- I'm focused on winning my lane. I'm spending my time reading my opponents movements, figuring out how to deal with being camped by the enemy jungler, focusing on minion wave position so that I can threaten dragon/rift herald better, and denying vision from my lane opponent. Out of all of this, I cannot be watching your lane to see where your laner goes. I either see that they are present or they are absent. This absence can mean a multitude of things, as listed in the other reasons.

Reason 2- Absence on the map means many things. Has your laner dipped out of view while under their tower, as you are working on shoving the wave into their tower after making several favorable trades against your lane opponent? Have they just stepped to the side to place a ward in a nearby bush? Did you force them to go back to heal or buy items? Or are they roaming to my lane? I cannot differentiate the context of your opponent's absence, and I should not feel the need to give my lane opponent rest just because I can't see your lane opponent sitting under tower while you know they are just there waiting for you to shove your lane. Your missing ping informs me that I need to be careful, but your lack of missing ping also informs me that I have nothing to be afraid of from your lane and I can keep the pressure on my own lane.

Reason 3- So you got your missing ping out...but 2 seconds before your lane opponent revealed themselves in my lane. I appreciate the effort, but you're way too late. 2 seconds is not enough time for me to see WHO made the missing ping, WHERE they were pinging at (were they pinging their own lane or pinging another lane on their behalf, or were they pinging dragon/rift herald out of suspicion?), and HOW to defuse my lane opponent's sudden aggro engagement onto me while your lane shows up just as I'm being cc'd. If you're going to make the effort at all, it's better to do it in a timely fashion.

As for the issue of "follow your lane", I see too many mid laners do the following: 1.) Slowly and carefully farm the wave, even though they are not threatened at all. Even when they see their lane opponent leave the fog of war in a different lane, they still dawdle with wave shoving, and they have not exploited their opponent's absence from lane. This happens all the time, even when the enemy jungler's presence is known elsewhere.

2.) Follow way too late and get nothing done. Don't try to follow your lane opponent after they're already seen in another lane. You won't win the 1v2 or 1v3 by yourself. There's no sense in making it halfway up/down the river and just running back after seeing your allies die. Just shove your wave, or roam to the lane opposite of where your opponent went. Make SOME sort of impact instead of doing nothing.

MorgManBasher8/7/2017, 12:43:09 PM2 votes

And then you get to higher ELO's where it doesn't matter if you ping or not, as they 4-5 man dive you and your only option is to straight up leave turret and hope they don't deny you XP, or even worse already setup the dive and are standing behind the turret blocking off escape.

Like it's all good playing a scaling champ as long as you aren't raging at your side lanes while the enemy laner is roaming with his jungle and expect bot lane to 2 v 4-5. I main support and shit gets old when you are crushing your lane only to have the classic 5 man bot happen.

LXII8/7/2017, 12:25:58 AM2 votes

Had one of these games the other day. I'm Ori against Vlad. Not too bad of a matchup, but they have Kha jungle. Our top/jg duo keeps tower diving top after I spam MIA pings on the Vlad, they die to top/jg/mid.

"Noob mid doesn't follow"

I explain why I can't follow into fog with Khazix on the enemy team. Still flamed. See Khazix heading bot side, Vlad leaves too. Jungle still camping our top (duos.. lol) so bot is a losing fight AND I still don't know if those two are waiting in a bush for me to follow. I ping it AND tell bot that both are coming.

Enemy double kill. "Fuck this troll mid". I take turret.

This happens so much that I almost never see me laner in my own lane, so I've taken tier 2 and most of the inhib turret now. Still flamed if they die.

Get the inhib, go to help other lanes now, get spam pinged, flamed, etc. Win the game

"Please report our troll mid, didn't deserve to be carried that game"

Ra1uga8/6/2017, 9:07:06 PM2 votes

i play some mid lane assassins every now and then.

I've been able to roam and get the enemy mid flamed, then fake a roam so their mid tried to follow and just flat out oneshot him in the bush.

Asking a late game mage to follow a talon's roam is just suicide for the mid unless wards are up in the river.

TimX24968B8/6/2017, 5:29:34 PM1 votes

there are 2 options when your laner roams:

follow them
shove the lane and force them to come back.

not many know of #2

Craft Zeppelin8/6/2017, 10:49:59 AM1 votes

From my views and experience, you should ward the bot river with a pink, then proceed to smack the tower as hard as possible when he roams.

A broken mid tower is a stupidly high advantage. You can net more wins if you can take it. If your botlane did not back off, and not go as planned they will just stay in that elo while you rise as they deserve. Just mute.