A Poppy main's opinion on the Poppy rework

Aziriously·12/12/2015, 9:04:01 PM·3 votes·1,010 views

Alright so I've been spamming Poppy top since her rework, sad to see what she has become. Now while she is much more viable in lane, I don't feel like she's a more viable character than the old Poppy (who I used to jungle with. Devourer + new Guinsoos good times for all). I don't actually like jungling though, I just liked Poppy so that's how I played her.

Now, since I can play her top, I thought I may be happier with her. Even though there are a few wonderful things about her, it doesn't seem to add up.

What's good? Her buckler passive makes laning as her, well, possible. The ranged harass and shield to trade with are huge and are what wins me the lane if I use it well. Without it, I often lose trades, and that's fine. That's a good dynamic to have. Also, her W is fantastic. Not only does it hard-counter a few matchups (Riven) and help the team make some catches on people like Kalista/Vayne, it makes her laning safer. Most junglers will gank with a gapcloser you can just shrug off, and if that doesnt work, you have your ulti. Which brings me to my next point

Her ultimate has a lot of good to it...and also a lot of bad. In lane, I love using it to instantly slam the opponent up to reposition for a wall stun. And, like I said, keeps Poppy even safer from ganks. I'm not a top main so safety is important to me. So what's bad about it? It feels like it just kinda...falls off. Of course there are the clutch moments when you ult away the Mundo to win a big teamfight you wouldn't have won otherwise, but more often than not, you'll either miss it due to its slow speed, it'll get interrupted, or you'll knock a guy or two away, but your team won't capitalize on it (if they even can).

Poppy wants to be in the thick of the fight, but her itemization is kind of weird. Most people opt for the Black Cleaver into tank strat, getting Iceborn as a 2nd item. Others may jungle and go cinderhulk into full tank, or warrior into BC, and while they do synergize well with her kit, something feels off. It's hard to explain, but it feels like there's an imbalance. Sometimes you don't feel like you do damage even if you build it, mainly because basically all of the damage is in her Q and wall-slam. The Q can be a little awkward to hit sometimes, especially in the heat of battle (but it's good for the most part). If you nail 2+ people with it, they'll definitely feel it, but that's hard.

Poppy's W and R make her great at peeling, but her E and Q make you want to get in the fight, run past the enemy front-line / flank and wallslam a carry. As old Poppy, flanking a team and one-shotting their carries while using Diplomatic Immunity felt great. With new Poppy, it's hard to tell what you want to do. Since you're not immune to CC anymore, engaging becomes less of an option, but if you stay with your carries in an attempt to protect them, sometimes you feel like you're just not doing anything.

So what is she supposed to be? Obviously not an assassin anymore. Bruiser Poppy feels natural but somewhat underpowered. I'm starting to think she's just a tank, melee Janna at this point. While she can win lane, teamfighting as Poppy feels super awkward. There's so much room for error with her - which isn't a bad thing, there's definitely a lot to master with her new kit.At the same time, I feel like the challenge in playing her may be to the point where even an amazing Poppy player could find himself feeling worthless in a fight.

So what should be done about this? Honestly there are just a few things that could be done to put her on the right track. Her W and E are solid, but the ultimate could use more tuning. For what it is, I was underwhelmed at how far a fully charged channel sent the enemy back. Also, the knockback doesn't increase with levels into R, so I feel like that's something to touch on. Perhaps make rank 1 R knock back less than current, rank 2 be more or less the same, rank 3 needs a boost. Also, a shot speed upgrade wouldn't go unappreciated, but I understand that that is somewhat unreasonable to ask for. "git good scrub."

I also feel like her Q should slow the enemies down more at later levels. It's hard enough to use optimally in teamfights, and more often than not, I can nail two people with it who then proceed to walk/dash out of it. I would suggest making the slow slightly lower at earlier ranks while buffing it a bit higher at later ones. Her Q does a TON of damage, but only with both hits. I feel like a change in the slow amount would make her more reliant on wall-stunning in lane to proc both hits (which is good!) while making it more guaranteed at later levels to help her scale effectively.

So those are what I can think of off the top of my head. Agree / disagree? I know she's basically a new champion and it's expected to be bad with her for awhile, but I feel like these changes would make more accessible and fit her old self better with scaling, Right now she sits around a 41-43% winrate, among the lowest in the game (I know, new champion = played more = more loses, but still), so I'd love to see if Riot could give her a little more love. :)

8 Comments

EcchiOtakuTM12/12/2015, 9:42:43 PM2 votes

Her Passive should lower with CDR, her Q needs slightly more range and her charged hammer needs.... something

I think Ulti when fully charged should reveal enemies for up to 15 seconds when hit, stun them for up to 2 seconds on landing, and casting it should refund poppy's passive

(Minimal durations- reveal is 1 second, stun is .1 second, but casting it will always refresh poppy's passive)

Mirage Seraph12/12/2015, 9:52:05 PM2 votes

I've been playing a lot of Poppy since her rework and despite missing old Poppy, I think I'm gonna seriously look into mastering new Poppy, she's just so fun. Something I noted was that Poppy's buckler procs -EVERY- onhit melee passive. So I got to thinking... What can I do with this?

First thought was how much damage it did in conjunction with item 2033, and unsurprisingly it auto-wins most trades. But that's obvious! So I just started buying on hit items and see what worked best. item 3748 item 3742 item 3025 all work with Buckler pretty stupidly. When all 3 effects proc at once, the buckler just nukes them while Deadman's and Iceborn apply a pretty heavy aoe slow that just gives you a free wall stun, iceborn procs again and they're stuck in your Q's full damage output.

Basically, my full build most games has been (er, or it would be, if I ever reach full build minus the game I discovered how dumb Titanic is on her) item 3009 item 3748 item 3742 item 3025 item 3083 item 3065

Basically, the high health and armor/mr makes Titanic Hydra your main source of damage while making you basically a Juggernaut in survivability and damage output.

Compared to old Poppy, as much as I loved her, I'm so happy with new Poppy. New Poppy doesn't auto-lose lanes cause lel Darius/Teemo/Jayce (screw jungle Poppy, she's a top laner through and through and nobody can tell me otherwise), New Poppy can get those wall stuns based on the tools in her kit as opposed to the enemy being braindead, and New Poppy retains the fact that she can be build multiple ways. Much like AP Poppy was my old bae, On Hit Poppy is quite possibly my favorite thing to do in the game in a long time.

My only concern is how well she functions late late game, as I've yet to reach that point thanks to games ending in 20 minutes. I think her ult will make her pretty invaluable for late game team fights, but making full use of her kit's burst is going to be pretty difficult.

TL;DR I disagree, I think new Poppy is extremely viable and EXTREMELY fun to play as and against. Honestly, I'm expecting some love tap nerfs on her once people figure out how to play her, there's no reason she should be sitting at around 40% winrate other than people don't know her yet, there's nothing inherently wrong with her kit.

Brimaz The King12/12/2015, 9:47:40 PM1 votes

I think her Q range is a little short. Like the indicater is off a bit.