Casual player PSA: Simple Champs are better for balance than overloaded ones

I Shank Furries·2/4/2020, 5:52:17 PM·1 votes·946 views

You look at a lot of the newer champions and they're just so overloaded that they're hard to balance with just buffs and nerfs, they'd probably have to get reworks to make them fair. Aphelios Qiyana Senna They're going to dominate the meta or they're going to be gutted with nerfs and completely useless. All of the stuff they can dish out makes it really hard for them to be in a healthy state.

Meanwhile, another overpowered champion is going to be way easier to balance because of his simple not overloaded kit: Sett Just hit his W with a nerf. Maybe some stat tweaks here and there. Boom. Balanced.

But you could attack Senna with nerfs all day and she's still going to have aoe CC, group camoflauge, heals, good damage, and a freaking Lux ult unless you actually remove those from her kit.

Sooo, for the sake of us peasants not in worlds, can Rito maybe not make overloaded champions just to increase sales?

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Tribbles Foxfolk2/4/2020, 8:01:47 PM2 votes

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You look at a lot of the newer champions and they're just so overloaded that they're hard to balance with just buffs and nerfs, they'd probably have to get reworks to make them fair. Senna They're going to dominate the meta or they're going to be gutted with nerfs and completely useless. All of the stuff they can dish out makes it really hard for them to be in a healthy state. But you could attack Senna with nerfs all day and she's still going to have aoe CC, group camoflauge, heals, good damage, and a freaking Lux ult unless you actually remove those from her kit.

If you lay out any champion like that, you can make them sound broken.

Man, this champion that gets Nasus Q except it doesn't have to stack to hit like a truck, heals a lot, and gets doubled healing just for being at half HP, raises minions for free, passively just generates minions for things dying around them, an Anivia wall that forms a giant inescapable circle and is basically untargetable, has an AoE slow that deals % max HP damage and causes the generated minions to leap across the lane at you, and an R that summons a super minion (plus little ones) that deals % max HP damage to you and towers and causes the champion to deal extra % hp damage if they attack you as well. Sounds broken right?

Of course, I'm talking about Yorick , a champion often looked at with a cringe and sucking air through clenched teeth.

Senna is honestly really balanced because she's good at one thing: Aggression. Her base stats are awful, her movespeed is atrocious, she only gets half benefit from attack speed, her ratios are really nothing to write home about, and her ult has a crazy high cooldown without Ultimate Hunter. She trades really well in short bursts and punishes lane opponents that make no effort to control the lane, but loses heavily if she can't assert dominance on the lane from a very early point and is extremely susceptible to ganks.

She can use her spells defensively, yes...but that's a complete waste on her part due to long cooldowns and high mana costs. The root has a major delay (roots don't stop you from casting or attacking btw) and is very slow, her heal is on the same spell as her damage with a slightly thicker area of effect (ratios are still pretty bad), her Ghost Form is easily cancelled just by her attacking or getting near her (or a Control Ward), and an EZREAL ult with three times the cooldown and about half the damage shifted out of damage into a shield that lasts just long enough to block an auto or two.

Oh yeah, and her "good damage" is if you just let her hit you without making any attempt to fight back or trade, or if she's really fed.

Please learn a champion before you come crying about them, because it is clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

Tribbles Foxfolk2/4/2020, 8:18:44 PM2 votes

Follow up comment: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/rEBNkurZ-how-to-play-against-shaco-ekko-sett-aphelios-fiora-senna?comment=0002 Read my comment on this thread for a deep break-down on playing against Senna, from a Senna main. That is, if you aren't too "casual" for it.

Saezio2/4/2020, 5:55:09 PM1 votes

Sett just needs to have his physical component removed from W. If you dodge it you should get no damage, and he should get no shield.

BOOM balanced with great counterplay.

Best Azir Africa2/4/2020, 6:12:21 PM1 votes

This is very true. People give the balance team such a hard time for balancing champions when it really isn't their fault. Its the fault of the champion designers. This is the reason why champions like Kalista, Azir, Kaisa, etc were hard to balance because of their kits being so strong. So their numbers were nerfed hard (not kaisa still strong lol). Champions with a very synergetic kit makes them either really strong or completely unplayable. Their kits make it impossible to balance.

IP Masquerena2/4/2020, 6:17:11 PM1 votes

Or maybe, Riot could just do the IceFrog and tell bad players to get good?

Let me tell you a story. In Dota 2, there's this melee carry, Phantom Assassin, well, she got major buffs, because in high elo, so was crap, in lower elos, she was 52% with a decent pick rate, and in pro, she like, almost never seen outside of maybe 1 game in the group phase or so. She got major buffs, among others, her Q got apply melee on hits, meaning that if her ult triggered, she could Rampage just off of 1 Q in lower elos (Rampage = Pentakill) and her low elo win rate jumped to over 60% while her high elo jumped to around 50%.

Then, like, 2 weeks later or so, her low elo winrate dropped to around 51%. LOWER THAN WHERE SHE WAS BEFORE THOSE BUFFS. Why? Because she always had strong counter, both as items and heroes, people were now forced to deal with her instead of just hoping she's bad, so they adapted, because otherwise they didn't get to play the game against her.

What does that show? When you don't offer players other choices than to get good, they will.