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"Boards just rant we don't have any suggestions"

øHaruø·1/8/2019, 2:08:46 PM·8 votes·3,198 views

I've never understood this.

People complain that the board just rants about what's wrong with League, but they don't offer suggestions on how to fix it. Now, if the average League player is like me, we may feel or know something is wrong but we don't know how to fix it.

We don't develop games.

We're essentially customers of this service, which is League of Legends. If this were a normal product such as let's say food.

Let's assume we were regular individuals who did not know how to cook and we bit into a piece of chicken our mom's made. We find the chicken is too salty, we state this fact. Why should simply stating this fact be a problem? It lets the person who cooked the chicken, in this case created the game, knows that were is a problem with their product/service. While we have not offered any advice on how to make the chicken taste any less salty, as we cannot cook (develop games/code/balance champions) as we have never learnt how. (It's not our area of expertise to balance/design champions)

And if you're like me who plays League but isn't one of those mathematicians you see on the boards going, well his Q does X and True damage is equals to Z, so you X*Z=Y/C...those guys we won't be of any real help in stats.

The average player just knows when there is a problem, can feel when there is a problem or see when there is a problem. Just because we don't know how to fix it, does not mean our opinion on the game should be ignored.

30 Comments

Quiet Dude1/8/2019, 2:39:28 PM7 votes

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We're essentially customers of this service, which is League of Legends. If this were a normal product such as let's say food.

This logic is as mindblowing as watching a video of someone calling the cops because their drug dealer wont give them the correct change

The average player just knows when there is a problem, can feel when there is a problem

Feelings are not facts

or see when there is a problem.

What people see and percieve may not be the actual reality of how something works

Just because we don't know how to fix it, does not mean our opinion on the game should be ignored.

If youre not going to offer constructive criticism or try and help with the “perceived problem”, then youre just making unhelpful complaints and noise

“Ryze is bad”

Why is Ryze bad?

“Because he feels bad and he looks bad and I know hes bad”

Oh wow I should take this seriously

Marshbouy1/8/2019, 2:20:29 PM5 votes

There's a big difference between telling a cook that the food is burnt, there is too much salt, or it is undercooked and telling them that they should be fired, the food is garbage (without specifying why), and that they're never coming back ever again (but they show up again next week).

I personally don't think that riot needs to get "suggestions" from the boards, but they would help. I think that people need to make constructive posts that are detailed, not objectively toxic, and don't spread misinformation.

I don't blame people for ignoring a forum that regularly upvotes posts that are like "Irelia just literally 1v5ed: game is trash now." with no clip that proves what happened.

Düff McWhalen1/8/2019, 2:46:01 PM2 votes

Feelings aren't facts. So no, changes should not be made based on them at all

AR URF1/8/2019, 3:16:23 PM2 votes

Yeah the problem is some cultures like more salt than others. In other words, some cultures like this bursty fast paced meta.

xDogMeatx1/8/2019, 2:15:39 PM1 votes

because the Board knows all....

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Makarakarn1/9/2019, 4:06:01 AM1 votes

I think the food review scenario more often goes like this:

The food available wasn't what the particular customer wanted so they aren't happy
They changed the food available but the customer really liked the old food so they aren't happy
The food is actually pretty tasty and appeals to a variety of customers but this customer didn't like the brand of drink they got so they aren't happy

Or maybe we should stop comparing the two because while it fits as a loose analogy, comparing the over saltiness of chicken and the balancing act of a complex strategy game with over 140 characters isn't realistic.

Modl Ryden l1/8/2019, 7:25:22 PM1 votes

And as customers we DO NOT have to resort to instantly releasing our dissatisfaction immediately to the people working in the service.

As a much more responsible and reasonable and borderline pleasurable customer to work with. You can step back from the frustrations. Analyze why something could be better and deliver a response.

If you worked in a service industry helping out customers. You would NOT want to work with someone calling a 'lazy fat fuck' for not 'fixing their product.' You'd just want to tell them to leave because no one asked you to stay around and buy whatever.

But if you word out and illustrate your grief, they'll be more than willing to help.

Obviously the boards isn't a place to receive what you ask for. But it's also not a place where you can rage post every 15 minutes because you're too immature to handle a defeat.

I also just want to add something from your OP

The average player just knows when there is a problem, can feel when there is a problem

can feel

feel

This is the bigger issue with the boards. When you say you feel. You are automatically NOT WRONG because it is the way the individual feels. And if others feels the same way then it ultimately becomes a rally of people who AREN'T WRONG. Why? Because it's the way they feel. And you cannot argue against or invalidate feelings.

Therefore in order to promote discussion. It is a MUST to completely absolve your posts or arguments of feelings.

deadlychuck1/9/2019, 3:25:26 AM1 votes

The problem is that riot doesn't give players access to the necessary data to have any chance of making viable suggestions in how to resolve the problems with most of the game...

Opening up custom games to allow for a lot more manipulation by players to adjust numbers would probably see a lot of success in outsourcing the game's development, but riot doesn't do that. Imagine how many fun custom game modes could be created if players had the ability to control nearly any numerical aspect of the game, even if they couldn't directly add or suppress mechanics of the game.

Imagine how much fast the game could be balanced if you could just make unofficial nerfs and buffs to champions for you custom game mode or default block certain champions without bans... but instead they just leave players to complain about the single version of the game that they're allowed to have rather than letting the community dynamically adjust, or maybe even naturally fragment, along philosophical lines about the game design...

KFCeytron1/9/2019, 4:02:55 AM1 votes

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