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WE NEED TO BE VOCAL ABOUT THE IMPENDING 10 BAN SYSTEM

Add Me After·5/29/2017, 2:22:32 AM·6 votes·473 views

Our ultimate goals for 10 simultaneous bans are: to make champ select fairer for everyone, to give everyone more control over the ban phase, and if possible, to lower the time it takes to get to game.

I'm curious on why the new banning system is anti-clarity/control, removing the knowledge of 50% of the bans does not help improve player control - I'll give an example of this by showing how the new system does not stand up to this task even in the provide explanation

Feel like running Tryndamere top? Ban Teemo.

Say a player does this and bans Teemo, now how do you think they would rate the clarity/control the player is given in the ban phase if they later they find that Tryndamere was banned?

Another point made as a bonus for the simultaneous 10 ban system was that players are not forced into meta bans because it's equal ban power >Simultaneous bans also remove ban order in champ select – meaning there’s less expectation to be forced into removing meta bans,

If you're the last person to lock in or hover a ban and you see no one else is going to ban a meta champ the pressure is still there, it's didn't go away and that pressure is even greater in this anti-clarity system when you don't known if your foes would ban the champ

I feel like this is turning league into a gambling match and it seems Riot themselves also feels this way at least a bit >✘ Duplicate bans might feel like a waste ✘ Lower strategic intent

Riot themselves understands there is less strategic value in bans and that players may feel that their bans are wasted - aka - for them ban phase was a waste of time

I don't understand how this is the road they chose to pave and I hope they come to their senses and choose a different one

EDIT 1: I'm curious to hear why you agree or don't agree with this choice of layout for the 10 ban system!!!

EDIT 2: I understand the "why" Riot picked this version of the ban system, what I don't understand is why they value the boons of this version over it's negatives, I guess it comes down to what I wanted the 10 ban system to do and what Riot wanted it to do.
I wanted the 10 ban system for champ diversity and I just thought that was what the majority of the players base wanted it for as well...

10 Comments

Hela5/29/2017, 2:28:58 AM2 votes

its not bad there is a great number of champs, removing 10 is fine. Aside from that half the time people are supposed to ban what counters them rather than meta because its solo queue. People are literally complaining over nothing. The system is not even out yet ffs, wait and then post after you experienced it. whats the difference between 6 bans as compared to four more? if anything if a champ is permaban it forces riot to act faster to fix the champ now.

Umbral Regent5/29/2017, 2:29:19 AM2 votes

They did a pretty good job of outlining it in their Dev Blog post. The short version, though, is they wanted players to have individual control over who they don't have to lane against - and there's a huge separation between higher-tier and lower-tier play, in that higher-tier players are more focused around strategy and coordination, while lower-tier players are more focused on personal performance.

Which is why we get the Blind Simultaneous Ban system; they give us more control (at the cost of clarity) and allow us to eliminate Champions who might ruin our matches. And even if it comes with duplicate bans, that's a necessary evil - Riot wants to increase player agency, not increase the number of Champions banned.

MetalGearTeemu5/29/2017, 6:12:00 AM2 votes

Riot just needs to give up and nick Dota's ban system wholesale. They are not smarter, they should just try not to fuck up as much as they can.

TheGrot5/29/2017, 2:25:05 AM1 votes

Didn't read this completely, but I concur that 10 bans is a bad idea to bring to solo queue. I think it's a good idea for competitive, but it's a bad idea for solo queue. It's just going to gut champion variety in a way that is not conducive for game health.