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Solving the Surrender Debate.

RedbullÅddict·7/31/2018, 6:04:56 PM·14 votes·6,178 views

Here's the thing, I can understand not wanting to surrender, when it looks like you actually have a viable chance of winning. I have seen and played MANY matches in my time that looked hopeless, but my team managed to actually COMMUNICATE, and work together and pull out a win. But there's just one little problem, it requires those key parts in order for hopeless situations to turn around. I can't even remember the number of matches I've played where we had one, or even two people that thought "No, it's not over. I'm a hyper carry. We can win." Blah blah blah, and then what happens? The game lasts 50+ minutes, only to inevitably end in a loss for us, because we had no real teamwork, or people decided that typing during team fights was a good idea. I've seen that situation unfold so many times, it's not even funny.

There will never be any true agreement in the community on the whole issue of surrendering, many think that surrender should not be possible, while many others, myself included, become tilted to the point of wanting to go afk when one or two people keep the rest of the team in a match that feels and most often is beyond hopeless. I personally think that a unanimous vote should only be needed for a 10 minute surrender, which I would love to have, 4 votes for and 1 against lets you surrender at 15, and 3 votes for and 2 against let you surrender at 20+. However, I know that will never happen because so many people are against it.

So here's the alternative, which I believe would be extremely successful. Create another version of summoners rift; it's exactly the same mode as the traditional, but with one simple difference, the option for surrender doesn't exist. I mean, how hard could that possibly be to do? You simply just add one extra mode into the game which is a perfect replica to the traditional 5v5, and just delete the surrender option. That way, all the hardcore, "Never Surrender!!!!" fans can go play that mode, and leave the rest of us who don't like wasting our time the hell alone. That would solve many of the problems and arguments over surrendering.

35 Comments

Pika Fox7/31/2018, 6:24:35 PM5 votes

Just delete surrender from the main game. Done.

Eedat7/31/2018, 7:31:39 PM3 votes

Because dividing the queues even further because some people dont have the willpower to dedicate the time to a full match is an absolutely horrible idea?

How about this? If you dont have the willpower or self control to play an entire match, dont play LoL period? 10 minute surrender? You gotta be trolling lol

The Highest Noon8/1/2018, 11:58:31 PM3 votes

I don't understand the debate. Surrender exists because whether or not you believe there's a chance to win doesn't mean you nor your entire team are capable of achieving victory. ALL games are winnable, but NOT ALL GAMES are capable of being won. It should not be possible for a team to be held hostage because some people are desperate for wins. I've suffered many games with teams incapable of winning for this or that reason, and if there weren't a surrender option I'd just afk and take the punishment tbh. In the time you play through one obviously losing game, you chould achieve two quick victories.

FakeFiddlesticks8/1/2018, 6:46:52 AM3 votes

I think riot should implement a new surrender system and a new report system aka the hostage taker that refuses to surrender even if you are behind even god and disconnects cant save u anymore now hear me out implement a ban that if u refuse to surrender in games that its impossible to win and yes there are games like that don't start talking about how u can win every game hint no you cant this is a team game if u got no team u ain't going to win even if you are 19 0 anyway it should be like this it should show who keeps pressing no and yes so u can report them if they are keeping u as a hostage hell I bet even the enemy would report them since they are keeping them as hostage too I mean imagine even the enemy knows they won but for some idiotic reason they cant finish u of before 20 they wait for u to ff but wait u don't ff since some idiots either premade or solo keeps pressing no so get this 9 players or 8 or 7 are keept as hostage in a game thats lost only way u can quit the game if u simply quit and get banned for quiting or u stop playing and get banned for trolling or the enemy finnaly group is up and finish u off and thats rare in below diamond, random games gl to be honest. I don't know what should be the punishment for something like this either days no rewards like any rewards icons etc its the reason I don't play many games these days since nobody ever ffs no matter what. I am getting tired of 40 min lose games where my whole team is flaming each other and we are 3 yes 2 no and some idiots keep saying We can still win this when he is fucking 0 10 0 like what the fuck I admit sometimes I press no too but its mostly if the op only has 1 feed person if its 2 I press yes

to be honest, I don't know what to say the surrender option is not an option anymore gets tiring beating up a dead horse that's dead and won't get up no matter how many times u beat him eh I know its bad analogy but really I just got tired of it and before u say about wow look at this shit some bronze fucker is telling me about this game I played for years fucker fuck of .

I been playing this game since forever even back in beta even before back when it was just Warcraft 3 map mode I know when a game is lost but the problem is the surrender won't show who presses yes or no u have no fucking clue who is keeping u as a hostage in a game where you are so behind only way u win if enemy disconnects even then they could beat u 4vs5 hell I lost games where it was 3vs5 maybe because I played so many games i understand more of the state a match is in and know the defeat is just around the corner all I want is just a game where I am not hostage and forced to play with people that flame me tell me to get cancer and just to spite me make sure the game ends + 20 min more when we could have simply ff at 20 just so tired how can i play a game when I am abused by my own teammates and I can't do anything to stop them you are probably saying oh just mute everyone its easy they cant flame u anymore oh they sure can even when muted they will still do it anivia wall tham kench w etc steal your blue red steall your farm flash to you afk feed they can still do it just to spite u i am sorry for the long wall of text i love the game soo much reason i played so many games but my teammates are killing me sometimes i just wanna delete lol and never come back again knowing every game my teammates can abuse me and get away scot-free.

Porthös7/31/2018, 6:25:22 PM2 votes

I fully agree with this. I think riot should seriously consider this... Or you know just do it because its fucking brilliant.

NekoniClaws8/1/2018, 7:59:46 PM2 votes

I recently lost a WHOLE FRIEND GROUP to no FF. I was running on a FRICKEN GENERATOR because OF A HOUSE FIRE, I had no proper electrcity connection. NO LIGHTS, NO HEAT, NO POWER, NO TV, NO SANITY LEFT. It's been a nearly 2 weeks. The generator's on to charge my dad's medical supplies, I decide to League, to cheer myself up.

I go onto League. My old duo wants to join me and cheer me up- she asks if we can 5-man because her other friends are on. Every one of them knows my real life situation right then.

So we lose about 3 games, Matchmaking is putting us against plats + golds for some reason---which is forcing us to lose and depressing me because it keeps happening when I play with my friends on league (seriously 5-man matchmaking is a CARCRASH). My duo isn't trying to cheer me up because she has anxiety talking in groups, even though it's her group, and her friends are just emotional brick walls. Everyone's unhappy. No banter. No-one's having fun.

I reach a point where I'm actually crying. I feel lonely in the silence. The games are anti-fun. I'm immensely regretting agreeing to 5-man and I'm upset that playing 5-man means this. I plea-. "Please, please just surrender so I can go to bed." I know my voice is quivering. I know they can hear the stuffy nose.

Nah.

NAH.

35 minutes pass... 45.... 55... the game finally ends.

I think, some people, are LITERALLY addicted to their "no-surrender" 'integrity'. Game is lost, no-one's having fun, everyone's tired, someone's having a mental breakdown, and you're a group of 5 friends who can literally go do something fun together instead? BUT IF WE FF WE WILL NOT LAERN BE GUD AT VIDEOGAME!!!1

The surrender - no surrender issue is irritating. But I stand by this one statement. It's a goddamn videogame.

As much as I'd like all 'no surrender' people to go away... an alternate 'no surrender' queue...? Won't work. It'll become the supertoxic, ragequitter queue instead. There's enough people out there who hate their team trying to surrender, but will quite happily quit a game themselves.. or you know, soft int. And god forbid someone actually DCs. A no-surrender player can happily stay in the surrender enabled queue and block the surrender vote in most games, no problem, so there's very little to gain for them.

Meep Man7/31/2018, 7:56:51 PM2 votes

I'm pretty adamant that the Surrender Vote existing makes people play worse because they have an "exit" they can rely on to end the game when they want. "Oh, it doesn't matter if I play bad, we'll just surrender because obviously this game is lost." It's honestly better to surrender if someone wants to surrender now, not because the game is actually "lost" due to the current state of the game, but because that person has lost the will to win. The Surrender Vote option isn't available in almost every other MOBA I have played and it only acts to further push the "giving up" nature that many people take when the game isn't immediately in their favor.

dragfin127/31/2018, 6:42:32 PM2 votes

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Here's the thing, I can understand not wanting to surrender, when it looks like you actually have a viable chance of winning. I have seen and played MANY matches in my time that looked hopeless, but my team managed to actually COMMUNICATE, and work together and pull out a win. But there's just one little problem, it requires those key parts in order for hopeless situations to turn around. I can't even remember the number of matches I've played where we had one, or even two people that thought "No, it's not over. I'm a hyper carry. We can win." Blah blah blah, and then what happens? The game lasts 50+ minutes, only to inevitably end in a loss for us, because we had no real teamwork, or people decided that typing during team fights was a good idea. I've seen that situation unfold so many times, it's not even funny.

There will never be any true agreement in the community on the whole issue of surrendering, many think that surrender should not be possible, while many others, myself included, become tilted to the point of wanting to go afk when one or two people keep the rest of the team in a match that feels and most often is beyond hopeless. I personally think that a unanimous vote should only be needed for a 10 minute surrender, which I would love to have, 4 votes for and 1 against lets you surrender at 15, and 3 votes for and 2 against let you surrender at 20+. However, I know that will never happen because so many people are against it.

So here's the alternative, which I believe would be extremely successful. Create another version of summoners rift; it's exactly the same mode as the traditional, but with one simple difference, the option for surrender doesn't exist. I mean, how hard could that possibly be to do? You simply just add one extra mode into the game which is a perfect replica to the traditional 5v5, and just delete the surrender option. That way, all the hardcore, "Never Surrender!!!!" fans can go play that mode, and leave the rest of us who don't like wasting our time the hell alone. That would solve many of the problems and arguments over surrendering.

The problem with surrender at low elo is it is abused by bad players who have no idea if the game is over or not. They give up first blood and immediately want to quit. That's abuse and it happens alot more than you think.

I sure would love for RIOT to post all low ELO surrenders and the initiators KDA and I bet we find out just how bad the option is being abused.

They need to just get rid of it altogether and if that happens to get rid of the abusers who won't be able to abuse it anymore then so be it. I am sick of bad players who quit and never learn how to play the game because they have that crutch to hang onto.

Inkling Commando8/2/2018, 9:40:07 AM1 votes

lets add more fuel to this shit fire shall we? the surrender button stays but if it gets called on the one who did it loses honor since surrendering is dishonorable in every shape and form. it won't be locked and can rise up again with good games but when you flat give up it's not showing how honorable you really are. and while yes i do see a loophole where those with no honor score can happily spam it the rest of the players who have high honor have to make the choice of surrendering and losing honor or playing on and keeping the honor. remakes would not count since it tells you in the prompt that only the DC'd player would take the loss so if a remake happens then the honor is not touched at all. i for one think this is fair but i know allot of you will disagree or have other opinions so by all means don't hold back.~~ it's what toxic people are good for. ~~

RookPusher7/31/2018, 6:44:45 PM1 votes

It's pretty easy to figure out. If they're winning, you don't quit. If three of them are fed you do quit. When the surrender fails, just exploit whatever opportunity exists - however weak - and if the enemy screws up, well, you got an inhib.

Hong Kong Annie7/31/2018, 10:00:55 PM1 votes

In my opinion almost every game is winnable. Like in the example you gave if the people could stall out a game until the 50 minute mark then it clearly wasn't over, and that loss is probably 100% to blame on the person/people that thought it was and basically gave up.

Instead of making a new queue or game type how about if someone on the team thinks the game is winnable, everyone sits down and plays to the best of their ability and not just give up?

Inkling Commando8/1/2018, 3:44:14 AM1 votes

oh goodie. i found the surrender topic. before even reading the comments and such i can tell shit will go flying. i know that in game there is an honor system and players want (in some cases need) honor but do you really think surrendering is honorable? if players want honor so badly they have to earn it. and some players will not give any honor to those who would rather call a surrender than to lose. i for one am on the no surrender side of the aspect. surrendering is disrespectful and dishonorable. who gives a fuck if the enemy is fed? who gives a fuck if there is a troll on a team? who gives a fuck if we are losing? competitive people that's who. it is possible to get shit together and pull a comeback but people will never know that if they always surrender. and worst of all there is no penalty for trying to call a surrender. if it fails they can always try again and have no worry about backlashing. i know surrender was meant for those who want to leave games with afk's but that's what a remake is for. remakes are different than a proper surrender. remakes there are no penalties for players aside from the one who went afk. but people end up spamming it instead and do not suffer any downsides. hell i was part of one team and the enemy had not even got into our base yet (had all 3 inner turrets) and they called a surrender (which passed) cause the enemy was fed. and with how often people surrender they forget the main goal of the game. to destroy the nexus. not get most towers, not get most minions, not force the enemy to surrender, no, only the nexus. i agree with Zonof about having a No Surrender game mode. at the very least what should happen to make it fair for everyone is if someone calls a surrender and it fails that person can't call a surrender again for that match. they can still vote if someone else starts it but they can't start it. and once everyone has used their Surrender Card they are stuck in the game.

Mykajia8/1/2018, 11:40:00 PM1 votes

Love it. I completely agree with everything Zonof has said. Yeah, sure, there would be nothing to stop the one's who hate surrendering from joining the mode where surrender would be enabled, like what was mentioned. But by and large, I really do think that would solve most of the problems. And yeah, I can agree that not all no's that happen when a surrender vote is initiated come from the one's who are the never surrender type, and many fall along the lines of being spiteful; however, it's been my personal experience that most of the time it is the die hard "No, I'll never give up!" fanatics that do that shit.

I honestly can't see why anyone would have a problem at all with having an additional mode where surrender didn't exist. And those of you who somehow are against it apparently need to just pull your heads out of your asses, and realize it's almost exactly what you've all been hoping for. A way to play an entire 40-50+ minute game, all the way through, without ever having to deal with people wanting to quit at the first signs of struggle or adversity. Seriously, after reading what Zonof first wrote, I honestly thought it would be you guys that would be the most gung-ho over it, being like "Yes, finally! I can be rid of all the little bitches that don't have any balls, and want to just quit all the fucking time." Because that's the exact kind of retarded ass shit that I always read when I used to play a while back. And it's because I would always be flamed by those kinds of pricks that I haven't played in god knows how long.

Ghosł 8/2/2018, 5:43:03 AM1 votes

DELETE SURRENDER FROM RANKED VOTE ON IT!