"Jinx's early game is weak, she gets bullied by many champs" - Jinx players

MaestroLT·8/30/2015, 5:56:01 PM·70 votes·10,953 views

Yeah, sure, I mean, she certainly can't stay at 600-700 range while spamming rockets on your face each time you go for a CS and if you dare try to trade back at her, either she's going to destroy you with her huge attack speed steroid on her Q or her support Janna will just imvalidate any form of damage you will deal to her.

Oh, don't even try to gank her, since she has chompers and W slow and her support to get her out of trouble.

Yeah guys, keep believing Jinx is weak early game.

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103 Comments

Mcprowlington8/30/2015, 6:55:04 PM65 votes

her support will just imvalidate any form of damage you will deal to her.

I'm not gonna say Jinx is fine, but you can't use "her support" as a reason as to why she's too powerful.

Athenes Lulu8/30/2015, 7:54:10 PM21 votes

Sona Zyra will make sure she will have a hard time trying to farm.

Jinx goes OOM pretty easily if you have no clue on how to rocket, so the range isn't that justified.

No real escape = things like Blitzcrank Thresh will force her to burn a spell or two.

Sometimes chompers aren't enough to survive ganks. Especially when more than 3 people show up botlane.

I have laned with enough Jinxes to know where this is going. Can't say her early game is shit, but definitely not as good as Graves or Caitlyn.

Avious8/30/2015, 7:08:54 PM13 votes

Disclaimer: NOT A JINX MAIN

In a game where mobility creep is a reality a champion with so situational mobility will always have weaknesses. I agree, Jinx has many way to mitigate her weaknesses, however they are still there. She needs time for her attack speed buff to actually matter, her slow is telegraphed and very predictable and her snare takes long to set up. While she definitely isn't weak early she isn't unfair either. Lacking reliable escapes, she's really vulnerable to anyone with a gap-closer, CC and suffers during ganks.

I believe that unlike what she was some months ago she's actually quite balanced. After all, mobility creep is a thing, as I have already said.

TurquoiseYoshi8/30/2015, 7:09:27 PM12 votes

To be completely honest, you pretty much have to be an idiot to get hit by her chompers, and her W is also heavily telegraphed. She is definitely unable to destroy people early to the level that she can destroy people late.

Vayne, on the other hand, has point and click CC, and a direct escape through Tumble.

BlackEyesBlue8/30/2015, 6:50:27 PM8 votes

"Jinx has a bad early" is a thing? :/

I've always thought she was one of the VERY strongest ADC's at lvl 1 -5! Her kit has everything except mobility! She has more versatility in her Q then some champs have in their whole kit! :P

I'd say there is this awkward middle game where she can feel underwhelming, but her early and late are top tier!

Monkey D Luffy8/30/2015, 6:21:33 PM7 votes

Not every Jinx is going to have a Janna, and if the jinx throws her chompers for the jungler and she has someone like thresh or blitz then that's almost a guaranteed kill or summoner spell burn.

Rikari8/30/2015, 6:14:12 PM5 votes

Apparently a nerf to the base damage on her ultimate but increasing the missing hp ratio nerfs her early game.

Vayne Jinx Riven Draven Kalista Lucian bad early game champs

Kuroi868/31/2015, 12:09:58 AM4 votes

Jinx's early game is weak, she gets bullied by many champs

Who says this? I was under the impression she has a mediocre early, an insane mid and her late depends on how fed she is. Jinx is far from weak early, it's more about getting ahead early to hit your mid game earlier.

TheVishual8/31/2015, 5:52:31 AM4 votes

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Yeah, sure, I mean, she certainly can't stay at 600-700 range while spamming rockets on your face each time you go for a CS and if you dare try to trade back at her, either she's going to destroy you with her huge attack speed steroid on her Q or her support Janna will just imvalidate any form of damage you will deal to her.

Oh, don't even try to gank her, since she has chompers and W slow and her support to get her out of trouble.

Yeah guys, keep believing Jinx is weak early game.

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Jinx is currently the only one who can stand up to vayne in lane and late game right now

I'd rather play vs a million jinx than have another game with vayne, coming from someone who doesn't play adc. At least you can kill jinx with assassins, she has range and does good damage but has no self peel.

PoopLoopist8/31/2015, 5:58:12 PM3 votes

meh, jinx's early game is pretty bad, this is coming from an ezreal ashe main, i bully her very hard with both champs. last time i laned a jinx on ashe i sent her back to base with 20 hp at lvl 1, and won the game off of that. her early is extremely weak. If you are losing to jinx early you are picking wrong or most likely playing VERY wrong

LaceUp238/30/2015, 9:30:50 PM3 votes

lmfao. "spamming rockets"

She won't be doing that too long.

lmfao. "if her support is awesome and yours is a bum"

I'm all for you making arguments that Jinx is too strong, but at least be intelligent about it.

SlaktarTasken8/31/2015, 4:28:56 PM3 votes

I think most of the Jinx ragers in here are Vayne mains who can't stand the fact that there is another ADC that can atcually stand up to her (not stand up as in outduel her, no one outduels Vayne), but one that has enough widespread damage and utility to actually allow her team to win even once lategame kicks in, given they outplay them.

Slamurai Jack8/30/2015, 7:03:34 PM3 votes

Supports have been making adc's weak early games irrelevant for ages. Vayne weak early game? Just give her a Nautilus or Alistar and BAM, Vayne strong early game now.

The One Eye King9/1/2015, 5:31:04 AM2 votes

Yeah, sure, I mean, she certainly can't stay at 600-700 range while spamming rockets on your face each time you go for a CS and if you dare try to trade back at her, either she's going to destroy you

LOL jinx is easy af to kill early lane. its mid/late game where shes becomes a nightmare.

What people don't understand about jinx is her KIT is meant to kill you. just like how Leona is meant to stun you. its not op its just how shes meant to be played If your playing a jinx you should not be trying to kill her until you can out trade her and at some lvl of play.

so many adc blow her down early game Ashe Caitlyn Graves Sivir Corki

and so many supports just flat out kill her. mind you these supports are played almost everydamn game

1 Thresh hook = dead 1 Leona stun = dead 1Blitzcrank pull = dead 1Nautilus just dead.

and lets not even get into Jungler that will insta kill her. because of her no escape at all.

matter fact most of the support/Adc i just named are played EVER DAMN GAME if its not jinx or vayne. (ThreshThreshThresh

what a lot of people don't get about league is you cant play with the same style everytime you play, you have to watch and see how your enemy plays and react to what they do and don't do.

just a little secret about beating her in lanes

NO passive until a damn kill and no escape.

let that sink in.

Jeanne fan club8/30/2015, 8:26:40 PM2 votes

I haven't had a problem with her as support Zyra, just harass until there isn't a health bar left. :3

Alphadef8/30/2015, 11:38:15 PM2 votes

There is no character that naturally goes bot lane that actually has a weak early game.

Nidalee SO NYAAA8/30/2015, 11:57:20 PM2 votes

At least Jinx you can lock down Vayne on the other hand :/

Squidblimp8/31/2015, 2:34:23 AM2 votes

Jinx is a hypercarry with a better early game than other hypercarries, but she also can't shred tanks as well as other hypercarries like Vayne and Kog. She also sucks at early game dueling, but is good at poking and trading.

I do agree she is maybe a bit strong though.

FirexSaber8/31/2015, 3:01:58 AM2 votes

I mean, I feel like it's hard to argue any adc has a weak early game when they have a support to cover their weaknesses for them.

SlaktarTasken8/31/2015, 12:04:06 PM2 votes

First of all, as a current Jinx main, I've never claimed Jinx has a weak early game, neither have I ever seen any Jinx main claim that. She has an avarage early game, she is glaringly weak against being locked down (hooked, stunned, etc) or getting caught but that's not just her early but rather all game.

Jinx is more or less fine, if something she could do with some tweaking and perhaps some small nerf, but straight up hard nerfs would just destroy her.

All her mobility is tied to her passive so while having some mobility she can hardly be called a mobile champ.

She is perhaps the most teamreliant out of all adc's, while it can be argued that flame chompers do give her some ability to self peel, it's hardly in the class of that which other immobile adc's have, like Ashe's or Varus ult.

  • She is one of the weaker duelers, especially if she hasn't had a target to ramp up her AS on. Much like Morde used to be extremely sensitive to 1v1 unless he had ramped up his shield beforehand. This makes makes her quite easy to duel with most champs outside of lane.

  • Beside Switcheroo, she is 100% skillshot based. Flame chompers is highly circumstancial as a peeling tool and equally circumstancial as a kill assissting tool. They have alot of potential to both allow her to outplay her opponents and equally allows her opponents to outplay her.

*She has literally 0 roaming power, if she get's caught she dies, she can't jump over a wall like Tristana, Lucian, Cait or Graves among others, here we come back to being utterly reliant on her team.

*Her only steroids are the 10% extra damage on rockets and the AS ramp up on PowPow.

  • In contrast to Tristana who has a far stronger on demand instant AS rampup and doesn't even have to pay mana to use it. Or Vayne who get's a massive permanent AS boost per lvl and everytime she completes certain components one of her core items.

*She's has no tankbusting steroids, like Vayne, Corki and Kog'Maw on the contrary, until you get LW, rockets will barely scratch their healthbars meanwhile attacking them with powpow is stupidly risky. So again, we come back to the fact the she is utterly reliant on having hear team peel for her and lock her targets down to allow her to do her job.

Seeing as she is so extremely reliant on having someone next to her to be effective, I don't see why there should be an issue with her excelling at fighting with her teammates.

Sure her lategame is very strong but she won't automelt tanks like Kog'Maw or Vayne, and if your squishies are getting struck by rockets during teamfights then they need to learn to position better or your frontline needs to learn to engage better.

Tanks, juggs and bruisers can generally eat quite a few rockets before they start feeling the hurt, that is ofc, unless Jinx is far ahead, but any ADC who is far ahead will melt just melt their opponents anyway, but I honestly believe Jinx is far easier to shut down than alot of ADC's out there, and even if she is far ahead, pretty much any bruiser/apc can duel her. Unlike caugh Vayne.

I also wonder why people consider a champ who's only "skillshot" is their repositioning/denying/juke/chasing/finisher tool, harder to play than Jinx. This has never made any sense to me.

If there are any nerfs to be made to Jinx, (I know myself she can be very opressive when ahead, albeit not as oppressive as Vayne but still very oppressive).

I'd suggest, capping the damage of her AoE crits to 80-85% against champs that get hit by the splash. Then see where we go from there, it might not be that much but I think it would be enough to make her fall in line with the other ADC's and it would tone down her lategame somewhat.

If this is done however, I also demand that Vayne is brought in line.

therealdragon8/31/2015, 3:02:22 PM2 votes

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Yeah, sure, I mean, she certainly can't stay at 600-700 range while spamming rockets on your face each time you go for a CS

Early game, rockets use up mana and 10 rockets, shes down 200 mana. So its an easy way to run oom so jinx's have to be careful with rockets

and if you dare try to trade back at her, either she's going to destroy you with her huge attack speed steroid on her Q

early game, the AS steroid on her Q isn't that large. If you were to 1v1 her early game, she'd get maybe 1 or 2 additional AA's off on you. But that'd be after like 5 AA's. When trading early game, the steroid isn't big enough for any significant difference.

or her support Janna will just imvalidate any form of damage you will deal to her.

thats just the support itself. And janna is rather squishy. If she has no flash and a blitz grabs her.....or anyone locks her down, shes dead. Janna is easy kills. I'd go for janna rather than jinx.

Oh, don't even try to gank her, since she has chompers and W slow and her support to get her out of trouble.

again, talking about the support as well. if its a SUCCESSFUL gank, the w and e won't matter (unless you've already pushed jinx past halfway in lane when the gank happens) the w can be easily avoided (negated if you're a yi and you ulted) and the chompers take some time to arm.

Yeah guys, keep believing Jinx is weak early game.

I wouldn't say its weak per se but its definitely not strong compared to other adcs like say draven or varus.

Zedex8/31/2015, 6:11:20 PM2 votes

Look. lets think for a moment here.

If Jinx is spamming you with rockets EACH time you go to CS she's either A) Pushing the %%%% out of your lane(Ganking Junglers anyone? ..Can say Janna invalidates that..true, in a sense. She won't always have Janna, and janna can't always save her) ... or B) She's going to be oom in 20-30 seconds and then...Well, characters with mana pools can't use skills without it, so I think you can use your imagination from there.

LoquaciousKumqat8/30/2015, 8:17:22 PM1 votes

Do people not realize that slows and stuns are a form of mobility? Hell, her passive is pure mobility. Stop saying she has no mobility; she has no dashes. There is a difference, and the lack of dashes should not be used to justify a champ's weakness.