I cant climb

FizlPopBeryTwist·Jan 10, 2017·1 votes·1,237 views

I cant seem to climb the ranked ladder and i dont uderstand why. I play mainly ADC but i will go top or mid as a secondary. I play mostly jinx ezreal and vayne as adc, gnar garen and graves as top, and veigar lux and ezreal(ap) mid. I have an average of 65 to 85 cs at ten minutes and spend 30min to an hour against 2-3 (mostly 2cause thats what i face in game) imtermediate bots dodging skill shots on aram before i start playing games. I just dont understand why i cant seem to climb the ranked ladder. Whats the difference between and a gold player or a diamond player besides the fact that they made it out of bronze and me. What do i need to do to climb cause i know i cant just keep blaming my team mates and praying for wins

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463Jan 10, 20171 votes

For starters, 6-7 death average in Bronze MMR is completely absurd for an ADC in that elo.

If you had any actual game knowledge, I'm pretty sure you can reduce your death average down to 4-5.

If you got really good in a certain amount of time, you can reduce it to 3 throughout Bronze - Gold

How often do you die in team fights? do you capitalize on 2 v 1 situations when presented? How aware are you to whats going on, and the positioning of the enemy + you? ( you're an adc, your job is to stay alive and away from danger )

If you're the last one standing in team fights, always. Then it's probably a DPS issue. Or you're just simply running away for the sake of staying alive, when you forgot your job was the deal damage as well.

It could be a lot of things, especially since you're Bronze, fundamentals probably aren't even completely set yet.

So your laning is most likely lack luster and very passive, rarely ever punishing the enemies positioning mistakes.

If you had all this knowledge, imagine how much power you have over the people in your elo, the majority who doesn't know why they're getting punished so hard. But you know, therefore you'll prevail.

If you add me I can help you look over your games

but if I notice you're taking it all for granted, I'll probably just drop everything and assume you're not worth the effort.

Therion77Jan 10, 20171 votes

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For starters, 6-7 death average in Bronze MMR is completely absurd for an ADC in that elo.

If you had any actual game knowledge, I'm pretty sure you can reduce your death average down to 4-5.

I wouldn't say that's totally absurd if he's continuously engaging in team fights and losing them. These Bronze games typically last a lot longer than in the higher elos, a lot of times because people don't know what to do, or they just run around aimlessly.

I'll have games that I go x/0/x in the first 20-30 minutes, and the last 10-15 minutes I'll rack up 5-6 deaths quickly just because of the team-fight situation.

463Jan 10, 20171 votes

Nope.

Your death average should never be that high on ADC

Especially in Bronze 2 MMR, I doubt it's that hard to stay below 5 deaths every game. That's IF you knew how to play your role, but the problem here is that people never LEARN, they just PLAY.

It should be especially easier to keep it low in lower MMR If he was Diamond 2, and he had a 6 death average, it might be excusable.

But you should always have a low death average on ADC, because your job is to stay alive and do damage.

It's like saying he averages 100 CS every 30 minutes, but it's only because Bronze has a lot of team fighting. It doesn't make sense, because knowing how to CS and knowing how to team fight are completely different.

Knowing how to survive as an ADC and carry, is different from dying just because it was a 5 v 5. You aren't suppose to die, that's the point.

Then you're gonna pull out these other excuses, like Vi, Veig, LB, Ryze, whatever.

There's a reason even high elo ADC's can keep a death average of 3 - 4

It's because they actually know how to play against certain champions and know how to control their positioning.

Don't tell me you've got it all down at Bronze 2 MMR, you definitely do not and your stats do not lie.

So fucking get to studying and improving, filling the holes of mistakes you're making in your play. You will eventually have to come down to this, if you have any hopes of passing Bronze Silver Gold Plat Diamond Master

Therion77Jan 10, 20171 votes

There are over 100 champions, each with 4 abilities, not counting hybrid abilities, plus passives. It's a lot of information that some of us just don't have time for, and it takes a lot of games to experience what those champions do first hand. My Diamond buddies all told me it took them 2 years of play before they became as good as they did. I think some of us Bronze players just need to admit that we don't have the time that it takes to become -that- good.

I've probably racked up 1500 games, and I learn something new every day. It's a time consuming game, if you want it to be. It really sucks when people aren't having fun though, especially if they don't know why. Someone can easily nerd out on this game because of the complexity and amount of content involved. If more people just played to have fun, they wouldn't be let down. Learning all of this crap is about as intensive as taking a college course, if you want it to be that complex.

463Jan 10, 20171 votes

There's only 100 champions

but only 5 each game on the opposing team.

Seems like OP has been playing since S5, maybe even earlier than that.

He has well over 2 years.

Please stop making dumb excuses. I'm not telling you to grow to a diamond level over night, I'm telling you to start trying to get there.

Therion77Jan 10, 20171 votes

There are 134 champions.

He has well over 2 years and he hasn't improved past Bronze? I've been playing for maybe 5 months, and he's in the same League as I am.

463Jan 10, 20171 votes

Exactly what im saying

people are just playing the game mindlessly and not actually trying to progress their skill.

idk wtf are you trying to say lmao

Therion77Jan 10, 20171 votes

What I'm trying to say is that maybe the guy should be proud of the fact that he doesn't spend all of his time getting really good at League of Legends and learn to appreciate the life that he's been given a little bit more than to go wasting it on a video game like the rest of us sad saps who have nothing better to do with our time.

I watched Worlds this past year. Some of these guys spending 10-12 hours a day getting good at a game to be as good as they are? That's great for them, they're making a living off of it between their wins and Twitch feeds, but for the rest of us.

463Jan 10, 20171 votes

His post is based on climbing the ranks

he's not asking advice on how to have a happier life while also playing league

Good for you, you can play league casually and not give a shit that you're 900 MMR. Some of us actually like to become good at things they love doing. And not just give up because it's too serious.

You assume things in such a shallow manner, I can't take you seriously.

You call people sad saps, and yet you have 170+ games in Bronze 5, the lowest rank in the game.

What's worst than a sad sap who spends 12hours+ playing at a top 500 level, is a sad sap who spends 170+ games playing the game at the lowest possible tier.

If you're gonna be a sad sap, at least become great at what you're doing.

Pathetic.

Don't drag other people down with your " just have fun with it " mentality, believe it or not, there are people out there who actually have passion and desire to become better than Bronze. And taking it seriously is normal, in fact, competitiveness might even be healthy for you.

Playing over 800 games and not improving is pretty much insanity. You're ok with being mediocre, but try to refrain from infecting others?

Therion77Jan 10, 20171 votes

Don't drag other people down with your " just have fun with it " mentality

I really can't take you seriously at all. More than 80% of the player base is in Bronze or Silver, and people act like it's a bad thing. If you're not playing the game to "just have fun" then you better be streaming on Twitch and making money at it if you're -that- good.

12% of ranked players are currently in Gold 5% Platinum 1% Diamond .04% Master .01% Challenger

Welcome to the cold, harsh reality of things: you're never leaving Bronze, OP. And those little extrinsic rewards that Riot has for you, i.e. your rank badge, isn't going to change. You can share your infinite wisdom about the game all you want, but that's not going to change the facts. OP is never leaving Bronze, and until I buy a machine that gets more than 20FPS on a good day, I'm not either. LOL!!!

If you're not having fun, and you're not getting any better, and you're not having fun because you're not getting any better, go find a different game to play. Most of these Bronze players are like high school football players with hopes to go professional one day: it ain't gonna happen.

463Jan 10, 20171 votes

Therion77Jan 10, 20172 votes

So serious, so salty. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

You can't even be honest with the guy. 90% of the climb is getting good enough to stomp the living crap out of your lane, get fed every game in the first 15 minutes, deny the enemy CS, snowball so hard you're at that 2-3 item power spike while everyone else is still building their first item, and tear the enemy team apart before they have a chance to react or build any items themselves. I've seen what happens when you put a Plat or Diamond player in Bronze. It's the same every time: they dominate their lane to the extreme. There's no real secret to it. They wreck the whole game because they're just -that- good in the first 15 minutes. After that objectives are laid to waste, and the game is usually over by half an hour.

If you can't get X amount of kills and CS in lane every game, you're not going to contribute more than AVERAGE for your Elo, you're not going to be able to snowball, and you're not going to carry the whole team by yourself, SOLO. There's a reason the KDA is about the same throughout the elos, and the MM system puts you with people of equal skill. It's all based on averages. When you're playing with players of EQUAL SKILL, the game is actually a TEAM game where everyone has to contribute their equal share instead of 1 player carrying the whole game by himself while everyone else struggles, lags behind, or does just enough to get by.

I know that Thresh's Death Sentence has approximately a 20-second cooldown. I know how far he can throw it. The same with Blitz. But what you're telling this guy is that he has to learn all of the enemy champ's abilities, their cool-downs, and then while he's playing the game he has to actively remember all of these things, position himself, and make plays. Not everyone's brain is a video-gaming supercomputer, and for some people it's just too much information to think about at one time. ─ Then there's the player's hand & eye coordination and reaction time, and not everyone is blessed with such gifts.

Not everyone's brain is capable of the things that it requires to be really good at this game, and I wish people would stop feeding low elo players BS. Some people are just never going to get to be as good as they'd like, and that's just reality. In a lot of cases the argument boils down to physiology.

I main Jhin . I know exactly what Jhin can do to enemy champs with 0 armor when he's up 2-3 items on them: he melts them. I know that I have to get good enough to get at least 5-6 kills with 0 deaths in lane, every game, keep an average of at least 6 CS per minute, and then I can just happily run around the map destroying everything that walks with little to no effort at that point. The whole trick is the ability to get ahead in items early in the game, and then use that advantage to snowball. After that the game should be in EASY MODE. Congratulations, as an ADC you can now solo carry your way out of Bronze with your elite skills. ─ I don't have elite skills. I have Bronze skills.

463Jan 10, 20171 votes

No idea what you wrote

have fun spamming games in b5

FizlPopBeryTwistJan 10, 20171 votes

Thank you 😊

Therion77Jan 10, 20171 votes

You can't climb because you're MMR is factored in, and the game now thinks you belong exactly where you are right now. I know it's rough to swallow, but that's the reality of it. Keep track of your games and ask yourself if there was something more you could do, or if the game was truly out of your control. Despite what the trolls might tell you, if you're skill level isn't high, you're not going to carry a whole game by yourself at Bronze elo.

Most Bronze games dwindle down to a total lack of teamwork and understanding of game mechanics. If you know you're a solid Bronze level player, and you're doing the best you can, but your team doesn't pull through, you're not going to win. Sometimes a loss is just a loss. Bronze probably has the most leeway as far as skill goes. Some people are REALLY bad at the game, and you'll get stuck with them from time to time.

I main Jhin, and due to his complete and total lack of mobility early to mid-game, there are situations where I know I just can't do anything. I don't blame myself, it's just the result of picking a champion that can't escape x-champion's dive, and I knew the risks when I picked Jhin. He's an easy gank. It doesn't bother me when this happens. Sometimes you've just got to go all in, try to help your team, and hope you don't get targeted and slaughtered before you can have any real effect on the game.

─ If someone feeds 10+ kills in the first 15 minutes, and you only had a couple of kills and good cs, and that fed mofo destroys your team, that's not necessarily your fault. (This probably wouldn't have happened in a higher Elo.)

─ If someone afks or quits, that's obviously not your fault.

─ If at 40-minutes your team can't agree on what to do, and you lose the game because you decided to "follow the leader" and stay grouped, even though you knew it was a bad decision in the first place, that's probably not your fault. But kudos for your teamwork.

A Bronze-level player isn't going to be able to recover a game on his own. That's just the reality of it. There's a reason in the higher elos you don't see games where people are going 10, 15, 20 kills per game. People don't do stupid crap and they take calculated risks rather than pushing buttons and praying something works.

So, when is a loss YOUR fault? If you didn't feed, held your lane, got your CS, and worked in team fights, the other team simply had more skill, and your own skill wasn't enough to equalize and balance the situation. As a whole, the other team's skill outranked your own team's skill. So, improve your own skills, and play champs that can pull off insane plays solo. Fizz for instance. Who doesn't like Fizz or Yasuo

FizlPopBeryTwistJan 11, 20171 votes

but you cant play yas and fizz as adc

Shifue DravenJan 10, 20171 votes

Honestly man the only thing you can do is work on your own game don't chase kills try to watch your sides. Honestly i hate the ranking system i got dumped in b4 i climbed to b2 almost got into b1 and then i get the shit teams from hell for 8 games others have brought that it seems when you start getting a win streak it seems to kick you in the face( i can confirm this as i was at a 74% winrate on shyvanna now 66%) and my mmr was at 1046 and climbing now i am sure it's not that waiting for it to update.

In bronze i am telling you it's the worst i have been trying to climb i am a good jungler not the greatest but i think i do rather well i work on my mistakes but when you lane laners that feed stupidly for 8 games and/or go afk and just rant instead of playing the game you can't really win these and as a jungle i try to help and gank when it's right and there is nothing you can do when they are 0-10 you ganked them to keep them from falling behind but they keep rushing the lane and getting killed this is painful.

I wish you the best in your climb as i am going through it as well but i will say if you play your best it's all you can do.

Melee FormJan 10, 20171 votes

The way I see it, silver are starting to learn how things work. Golds generally have an understanding of the basics of how to properly lane/teamfight/take objectives. Plat+ are just improvements on the finer aspects of the game.