Question about vlad ult + ahri stuff

Magical Lil Girl·Oct 17, 2014·1 votes·546 views

So lets say there's a and an on the same team and they both have , uses first and then ults, so would that amp his ults damage amp too? 20% of 12% is 2.4 so that would be 14.4% onto 's , her E and her charm, making it a grand total of 54% damage amp for ?

Let me list all the numbers here.

12% from ult 20% of that from his makes 14.4 % global amp

onto 20% again from

20% from E

54.4% damage amp from Ahri? Not sure what the time window would be though.

16 Comments

Sailor MintOct 17, 20142 votes

DFG's damage amplification doesn't stack with itself. Damage amplification from different sources stack multiplicatively.

Ahri will get (1.2 * 1.2 * 1.12 = 1.6128) = 61.28% Damage amplification (44% for DFG + Charm, 34.4%) Vlad will get (1.2 *1.12 = 1.344) = 34.4% Damage amplification

Hemoplague: 12% DFG / Charm: 20% DFG/Charm + Hemoplague: 34.4% DFG + Charm: 44% DFG + Charm + Hemoplague: 61.28%

Then you can add in cute stuff like Executioner and Havoc to the mix. Obviously, only Charm increases Orb of Deception's True Damage.

EffectFXOct 17, 20141 votes

Damage amp stacks additively with Vlad's ult for whatever reason.

Edit = at least with DFG, not 100% sure about others.

Sailor MintOct 17, 20141 votes

Damage amp stacks additively with Vlad's ult for whatever reason.

Edit = at least with DFG, not 100% sure about others.

If that's true, I hate this game because that makes no sense.

Edit: From the wiki: Hemoplague's bonus and damage dealt stacks **multiplicatively **with Deathfire Grasp on magic damage, resulting in 34.4% increased damage.

EffectFXOct 17, 20141 votes

Better link that, because I see otherwise.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Deathfire_Grasp

"Also, Deathfire's debuff "Doom" stacks additively with other sources of percentile received damage amplification (for example, VladimirSquare.png Vladimir's Hemoplague.png Hemoplague )"

It seems the wikia is in disagreement on how damage amp works.

Sailor MintOct 17, 20141 votes

Pick Ahri and go blow up some bots.

It's a really easy test.

Magical Lil GirlOct 17, 20141 votes

Pick Ahri and go blow up some bots.

It's a really easy test.

well I also need a vlad. and I dont have either champ

Magical Lil GirlOct 17, 20141 votes

DFG doesn't stack.

well I'm not asking about stacking DFG's, I'm asking about vlad's DFG amplifying his ults amp? the 20% of 12% since his ult is global, so vlad would DFG and ult while Ahri did her amp things.

Sailor MintOct 17, 20141 votes

Total Damage Amplification = 1 * (1+Amp% * 1+Amp% )

You can see the math for most cases in my other post.

EffectFXOct 17, 20141 votes

DFG stacks additively with "increased damage received" debuffs (increased damage from all sources such as Vlad's Ult) and multiplicatively with increased damage dealt (Poppy ult, Swain E, Ahri E). DFG does not stack on itself. Vlad ult + DFG comes out to 32% increased magic damage.

So all together it would be 32% (DFG + Vlad) and the 20% from Ahri would look like .68 x .8. So yes, it is 54.4% increased damage from Ahri and 32% increased magic damage for everyone else and 12% increased physical damage.

What's funny is you got the right answer with the wrong math. I guess two wrongs make a right.

Sailor MintOct 17, 20141 votes

DFG stacks additively with "increased damage received" debuffs (increased damage from all sources such as Vlad's Ult) and multiplicatively with increased damage dealt (Poppy ult, Swain E, Ahri E). DFG does not stack on itself. Vlad ult + DFG comes out to 32% increased magic damage.

So all together it would be 32% (DFG + Vlad) and the 20% from Ahri would look like .62 x .8. So yes, it is 54.4% increased damage from Ahri and 32% increased magic damage for everyone else and 12% increased physical damage.

What's funny is you got the right answer with the wrong math. I guess two wrongs make a right.

You're stating the right things but doing the math wrong. Damage amplification effects stack multiplicatively.

Additive: 1.2 + 1.12 = 1.32 (32% damage amp) Multiplicative: 1.2 * 1.12 = 1.344 (34.4% damage amp)

EffectFXOct 17, 20141 votes

Actually wikia states that damage amp stacks additively.

" Effects that stack additively

Ability power
Armor
Armor penetration, flat
Armor reduction, flat
Attack damage
Attack speed (has a hard cap)
Cooldown reduction (has a hard cap)
Critical strike chance (has a hard cap)
Critical strike damage
Health
Health regeneration
Life steal
Magic penetration, flat
Magic resistance
Magic resistance reduction, flat
Mana
Mana regeneration
Spell vamp
Damage amplification "

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Stacking

Sailor MintOct 17, 20141 votes

Damage amplification of the same type stack additively (i.e.: Blade Weaving). Damage amplification from different sources stack multiplicatively.

What does that mean? Not much, outside of certain masteries, the only stacking damage amps come from different sources.

From the Damage Amplification page of the wiki: All damage dealt modifiers stack multiplicatively. Since multiplication is commutative, the order is irrelevant.

EffectFXOct 17, 20141 votes

" Effects that stack multiplicatively

Damage reduction†
Attack speed reduction
Armor penetration, percent
Armor reduction, percent
Magic penetration, percent
Magic resistance reduction, percent
Crowd Control Reduction
    Note that all sourced from items will not stack as they share the same named item effect."

Not seeing damage amp in there at all.

Sailor MintOct 17, 20141 votes

Do you really expect a fanmade wiki to be 100% updated/accurate?

EffectFXOct 17, 20141 votes

Do you see the information anywhere else?

Sailor MintOct 17, 20141 votes