Why I really think the assassins rework failed and why DB comfirms it.

Shablagoo·8/11/2017, 8:00:53 AM·16 votes·1,241 views

So the whole point of the assassin rework was to remove the instant burst and give some delay which only 2 of the big reworks really worked, Talon and Kat, but I dont think that it was because there burst was delayed, but because it was made conditional. Kat having to pick up her daggers and talon having to hit three of his abilites. Of course there are delays in both kits, delay in kats dagger drop and bleed for talons passive, however in the end of the day the conditional aspect of them make them fairer to play against and allows them to be rewarding to play and increase their skill cap not the delay. They are not the best example thou because they have inherent delays, however if we look at someone like Kha he has no delay in damage yet for some reason wasn't reworked as much as as the others because while his burst is instant, it is conditional making it fairer to play against as well as still rewarding. I can say I especially have fun playing kha, and I hope the other team feels it is fairer, but I generally don't see ppl complaining much about Kha

Now if we look at intense examples of which Riot tried very hard to add a delay we see champions like LB, Shaco, Fizz, and Akali. LB I dont really think I have to talk about we all know. Fizz's snowball is fking ridiculous, almost immediately when he gets his ult you pretty much die almost everytime, he actually is pretty strong early before he gets it too. But at some point in the game if you dont have your ult you can't really kill ppl because of his burst being mostly in his w. Shaco had to be played tank for a large part of his rework. Akali I kinda think she is ok but she still has a toxic kit and isnt any better to play against. Delay doesnt stop assassins from being toxic it instead, either makes it so the burst has to be so powerful early game that they can actually deal large dmg that is toxic to play against pretty much LB and fizz, Or falls off so hard later to the point where you are useless or have to go tanky to survive long enough to actually burst again fizz, LB, and shaco too.

Now why DB proves it. When DB was released and even now the dmg is instant, till the point where for some champions their literally isnt even enough time to react. If you play any assassin, or wu you will see what im talking about their is little reaction. The dmg is applied instant, so I honestly ask what was the point of adding delays, if later you are going to have to add an item that instantly applies dmg anyway? Riot literally reworked assassin to have a delay only to add an item that later makes their dmg instant again. This is even worse now because anyone can use it, even garen. Their was no point in reworking assassins if you are going to later have to realize that they can't have delay in burst because it doesnt work in such a fast paced game. Now DB added a huge balance issue in the game, it generally is still to much even after the nerfs.

I am not saying revert all assassin changes, but dont make it delayed, make it conditional. I actually feel like I need to do something to burst when I play Kat, but then I play fizz and realize what did the rework really change other then giving ppl a little more time to realize they are fucked. I play rengar and realize why rework him he pretty much still oneshots, but his ult now is just so bad now. Why not make assassins have to earn their burst through conditional burst making it dodgeable or preventable adding counterplay while still having burst. But whats done is done, I just want riot to think about what they do with future assassin.

27 Comments

afmghost8/11/2017, 1:46:16 PM4 votes

Honestly, I've been calling the assassin update the "asinine update." Granted, I'm a fill main (meaning "go support"). That means that it's on me to make sure the assassins don't 1 second kill my carry. Thanks to the asinine update, my job is ten times more likely to fail. Now I'm getting yelled at because the carry is being focused while my spells are on cool down, the assassin is a kill stronger (which doesn't mean much since they snowball kill stupidly easily), and I begin to wonder why the hell I'm a fill main anyway. If you want assassins in the game, fine. If you want to make the game unbearable to play, fine, but forgive me if I don't spend money on you anymore.

JmannNobody8/11/2017, 6:14:54 PM2 votes

Fizz is Anti-Fun.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku8/11/2017, 1:58:29 PM2 votes

Akali Shaco are bad exemple. Even during rework development riot already say they'll make a VGU for both, and this rework was just to help these pick and add fairness (failed IMO).

And for Shaco most played him like a bruiser... but best shaco (i mean the kr chall) played him full. U could argue if its the best or not, but i think its just cause most here are low elo and :

  • don't adapt and just copy past
  • prefer tanky build cause its harder to be punished.

till the point where for some champions their literally isnt even enough time to react.

I don't really agree. The DB is here to help the late game of assassin. But still most of assassin have low AS and are all AD caster. U have time to react most of time.

If you play any assassin, or wu you will see what im talking about their is little reaction.

Its not related to DB, but before the change Wu already OS most of squishy in less of 1sec (im an otp Wu).

This is even worse now because anyone can use it, even garen.

i agree... But still if a garen go on this road... he'll be squishy af. its far from best on him

Their was no point in reworking assassins if you are going to later have to realize that they can't have delay in burst because it doesnt work in such a fast paced game.

i don't agree. Even if many assassins need more work. Assassins don't need big delay all the game. During early its legit, even during mid, but at late too much delay prevent assassins to do their job. As exemple Talon after some time have can 100-0 close of insta if u skilled enough and this have nothing to do with DB.

I play rengar and realize why rework him he pretty much still oneshots, but his ult now is just so bad now.

Rengar is a diver in the gameplay... i'll say this all time.

88329730DEL18/11/2017, 6:10:41 PM2 votes

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Kloqdq8/11/2017, 2:05:11 PM2 votes

I mean you can sort of see that conditional, delay burst pattern in their newest Assassin, Kayn. Kayn is a prime example of what Riot would consider a good modern assassin in league. You have to work for your damage and it all is fairly fair with clear ways to counter it. This is clearly a lesson, a very hard one, that they learned from the assassin reworks. Whenever they go back to these champions that failed and failed hard, that they use these super important lessons to give us the best kits possible.

Nyarlathοtep8/11/2017, 1:33:29 PM2 votes

What is db?

Malix Farwin8/13/2017, 2:27:51 AM2 votes

As much as you probably dislike Fizz to say he has no delay is pretty funny when a lot of his damage is loaded into W which you have to wait 2 seconds to pop. If he gets crazy fed of course he is going to snowball any champion will period and this is not exclusive to assassins.

Poske8/11/2017, 5:57:34 PM1 votes

LB is debatable I like the new LB more.. given my performance on her my opinion has bunch of merit

AmazoX8/11/2017, 11:54:27 AM1 votes

Zed's was the most successful.

Leblanc and Fizz are still cancerous.

ZapMyHeart8/11/2017, 6:07:33 PM1 votes

Rito logic.

-Removes DFG for mages because "op op" additional burst

-Makes DB for additional instaburst

DR NEEDLEDlCK8/12/2017, 1:11:01 PM1 votes

I think you have a point, Duskblade does instant damage and not exactly a tiny amount. Why doesn't it do a DoT for like... 4, 5 or 6 seconds? That way you have plenty of time to react and it makes the large amount of damage more justified.