@Feralpony - Returning Hecarim to his origins as a sustain fighter

sWeixin VinLeous·5/26/2015, 10:15:46 AM·28 votes·1,867 views

So as most people are probably aware of by now, Hecarim is being played currently as a cheese burst-type champion, which doesn't leave much room for interaction with him. In my opinion, and most people can probably agree, this is not what Hecarim should be. I don't believe it's a healthy state for any fighter to be in, and is certainly not fun in-game.

Back in February of 2013, Spirit of Dread's healing percentage was changed to 20% at all ranks from 10/15/20/25/30%, and the cooldown was adjusted to 20/18.5/17/15.5/14 seconds from 14 at all ranks. In an early Season 3 environment, you can see why they would nerf this spell. With all the free range junglers had with little worry about jungle sustenance and fast camp clearing, you can safely say scaling to power was easy for junglers, and Hecarim reached rank 5 Spirit of Dread very efficiently.

In June of 2013, Onslaught of Shadow's end-location damage was removed with the intent of reducing Hecarim's burst damage on squishy targets. While this did affect his damage, it did not address what I believe to be his core problem of the same principle: the unrewardingness of putting ability points into Spirit of Dread due to its nerf, and in turn, being forced to amplify Hecarim's burst damage by maxing Devastating Charge second (a spell that is almost guaranteed to hit every time you use it).

What I believe is valuable to restore Hecarim to his intended, healthier gameplay as a sustain fighter is as follows:

Spirit of Dread

       • Healing adjusted to 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30% from 20% at all ranks
       • Cooldown decreased to 20 / 19 / 18 / 17 / 16 seconds from 22 / 21 / 20 / 19 / 18

Devastating Charge

       • Maximum damage decreased to 70 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+0.3 bonus Attack Damage) from 80 / 150 / 220 / 290 / 360 (+1.0 bonus Attack Damage)
       • Cooldown decreased to 23 / 21 / 19 / 17 / 15 from 24 / 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 seconds

Behind Spirit of Dread suggestions

The cooldown values on Spirit of Dread as suggested here are not as quite as low as they were upon Hecarim's release, but they are similar. I hacked them down to accompany Hecarim's lessened ease of sustain in the Season 5 jungle, and to get better worth out of leveling the ability, though not very much, as it's a very touchy cooldown to reduce.

The healing percentage reversion on Spirit of Dread is to accentuate Hecarim's role as a fighter who's power lies in sustained fighting and power through scaling with experience and gold, not being a bursty-assassin.

Behind Devastating Charge suggestions

The incentive behind removing a lot of the damage behind Devastating Charge is the over abundance of power and reliance on one spell (that is very easy to use, mind you) to carry out a job of killing carries, whether it be a Homeguard+Teleport gank, Devastating Charge + Onslaught of Shadows, or simply Devastating Charge alone. I believe it's necessary for it to be a powerful spell, but I feel the power is very imbalanced currently with too much emphasis poured into this spell, and needs readjustment between the rest of Hecarim's kit. I reduced the AD scaling to cut the prominence of Homeguard+Teleport+Devastating Charge, which I believe to be an extremely toxic aspect of Hecarim's current playtime.

On the cooldown of Devastating Charge, I lessened the cooldown by a second to smoothen Hecarim's early and mid-game mobility, and ease the punishment of using it for transportation (camp to camp, or just leaving the base), due to the large cooldown it sustains if you do not choose to max it. I believe it should remain a long cooldown at lower levels, but still be usable at least twice in extended fights mid and late-game. With that said, Cooldown Reduction is a very itemizable stat for Hecarim, so cutting much of the cooldown is not necessary or warranted.

Thanks for reading, and if you have any thoughts you want to share, post them below.

@Feralpony

edit: (2:18pm est) gone for now

32 Comments

Teridax685/26/2015, 12:29:56 PM4 votes

I think the problem comes more from Warpath's movespeed-to-AD stat conversion, which doesn't provide that much of a visible bonus in most situations, except when Hecarim uses a summoner 12 + item 3270 combo to surprise-burst a squishy. If the passive were readjusted to avoid that edge case, Hec would have a lot of room for extra power.

BluePolarizer5/26/2015, 3:40:26 PM4 votes

This would devastate Hecarim's jungle clears, which does nothing for cheesy lane Hecarim with TP/homeguards but destroys jungle Hecarim as a late game high sustained damage fighter. That's because you max Q first regardless, and need a point in E for ganks, meaning that you'd heal less. Unless the healing cap from monsters was removed, all this does is remove jungle Hecarim from viability.

Knight SoIaire 5/26/2015, 11:32:23 AM2 votes

cool changes but i dont feel compeled towards anything diferent for the horse than insanely minor rework on some of his mechanics

as you said he is a fighter made for prolonged fights, but he feels more like a tank who competes simple cc to the team his sustain got nerfed his q newer was a big deal besides actuvating sheen his e isnt suprisingly fast his passive is almoust nonexistant besides making his e a cheese skill with unpredictable damage (when he uses e his damage ramps up and once he hits he deals more damage than tooltip states pre cast )

and his ult... this is actualy fine for a rampaging horse of dread to charge in with the onslaught of shadows, the skill fits thematicaly, maybe that flee is a bit kinky in gameplay but its a part of mastering heca to cast those ults good

while i do like the horse and i support your desire to take care of him, i just think that his problems go deeper than simple numbers

Sozan55/26/2015, 6:13:38 PM2 votes

Or maybe... Just touch his passive a bit, like...

Warpath: Hecarim perpetually ignores unit collision and gains bonus attack damage equal to 17 / 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32 / 35 % (from 15 / 17,5 / 20 / 22,5 / 25 / 27,5 / 30 %) of his bonus movement speed up to 20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 bonus AD (from no cap).

This will effectively cap his passive bonus at 630 movement speed with bonus 100 AD.

And now some numbers:

Tier 2 Boots Hecarim:

MS: 390 Proposed Bonus AD: 15,75 Live Bonus AD: 13,5

Devastating charge MS: 571 Proposed Bonus AD: 79 Live Bonus AD: 67

Devastating charge + Ghost MS: 624 Proposed Bonus AD: 97,5 Live Bonus AD: 83,5

Devastating charge + Ghost + Homeguard MS: 1014 Proposed Bonus AD: 100 Live Bonus AD: 200,5

Tier 5 Boots Hecarim:

MS: 443 (370) Proposed Bonus AD: 34,5 (9) Live Bonus AD: 29,5 (7,5)

Devastating charge MS: 624 (554) Proposed Bonus AD: 97,5 (73) Live Bonus AD: 83,5 (62,5)

Devastating charge + Ghost MS: 685 (604) Proposed Bonus AD: 100 (90,5) Live Bonus AD: 102 (77,5)

Devastating charge + Ghost + Homeguard MS: 1134 (974) Proposed bonus AD: 100 (100) Live Bonus AD: 237 (188,5)


A change like this wouldn't hurt Hecarim (quite the contrary, it would buff him slightly) except for the homeguard cheese (which btw. is quite ridiculous if you look at values above).

vonGroopah5/26/2015, 4:24:34 PM1 votes

I don't have anything to contribute but I like the sound of this

Budupops5/26/2015, 5:09:43 PM1 votes

"certainyl not fun" r u kidding me...

Dengeden5/26/2015, 5:32:29 PM1 votes

Problem with sustained damage is that it's really unreliable:Aatrox Most fighters have the problem that they burst more than they erm burn(?). A melee champion that's entirely reliant on consistent damage is really prone to getting interrupted (and losing any of their influence) Fiora . The only ones who actually take some time to kill you are assassins like Yi and Zed (and that's mostly because of the built in delay of their respective abilities). Vi, Nocturne and Lee (to name a few) all use their combo to burst.

[...] cut the prominence of Homeguard+Teleport+Devastating Charge

I have my doubts that that would work, it's not just about bursting with E, it's about getting to your target and blowing your combo.

TheXtractor5/26/2015, 11:46:54 AM1 votes

I think homeguard is part of the problem why hecarim is populair and strong at the moment.