Counter-intuitive ranked placement system?

VYTO··1 votes·483 views

With preseason coming up, and being the time for changes, I think this is a good time to bring this up:

One of the biggest things that bothers me about League, but first some context:

During the same year I had started playing League, I eventually got to level 30 and a while after that I tried ranked... Obviously I still had a lot to learn back then and I ended up in Bronze I from placements, which was, and still is reasonable.

However, it's been years since then and I still can't get placed higher than Bronze simply because I never was higher than bronze before? This completely ignores the fact that People CAN improve over time.

Plus with the even harsher placement system introduced for this season, the range of skill level in bronze alone is too great; from absolute newbies in terms of basic (not champion-specific) understanding of League (What's worth vs what isn't, when Baron is a terrible idea, etc.), to people like me and better, who aren't allowed to place out of bronze simply because we tried ranked early on, and didn't get silver on our first try. This simply compacts so many people into bronze that probability alone makes it extremely unlikely, if not nearly impossible, that you'll get competent teams on a regular basis if you yourself are competent, even in bronze I.

Obviously, one solution is to only do ranked with a full group of close friends, but my whole point is that it should be possible to have reasonable success in solo queue in upper-bronze if your skill level is on par with mid-silver players.

Sure, you can call this the ranting or a bronzie, but how can you justify the placement limitation based on one's skill-level years ago? Also, I almost always get matches with 2 or more gold players on both teams in normals, which strongly suggests that when the actual rank is not considered, the system knows my level of competence is that of silver, at the very least.

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Maximum Morde2 votes

It isn't counter intuitive at all. Counterintuitive would be going 0/10 and placing in challenger.

VYTO2 votes

This season I won 8/10 Placements and got placed in Bronze IV. To me, that strikes me as the opposite extreme.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Nah. Your mmr doesn't reset season to season. It just moves halfway back to the midpoint. That's why diamonds do placements and are not diamond instantly again. If your mmr was down in the toilet far enough, even going 10/10 can still land you in bronze 5. You are expected to play and win matches to advance. Placements are not a free reset button, they put you where your mmr says you should be.

VYTO1 votes

If your mmr was down in the toilet far enough, even going 10/10 can still land you in bronze 5.

...If that's not a flawed system, what is?

Dukues1 votes

Placements have nothing to do with your first ranked season only with your previous season rank. Say you were silver 1 at the end of this season. Your starting mmr for placements in season 7 would start based on silver 1 mmr. But remember there is a soft rank reset each season so your rank would most likely drop since everyone's rank drops at the start of the season, but it would be based off your previous season mmr and how well you do in placements.

VYTO1 votes

I'm saying that Bronze team competence is too inconsistent, making it too hard to progress to silver. And if you can't get at least silver, your "Rank Last Season" will always prevent you from getting silver placement, correct? If so, basically my first ranking has stuck around preventing me from getting out one year, and than the next. Effectively, that's still something from years ago, since the first placement I did was the only one not biased to make it impossible to place higher than bronze.

I'm not saying it isn't functioning as it was programmed; I'm saying, from what I'm seeing, it's just rather flawed to begin with.

Dukues1 votes

I will admit the placement system from previously ranked bronze players currently (or at least in season 6) is pretty lame since you automatically are placed back in bronze anyways no matter your record so what's the point. I get that but that has nothing to do with climbing. Yea... bronze is a shit show but so are all elos. It comes down to ones skill and perspective. But getting out of bronze really is not that bad if you know the game fairly well. I have done it every season since season 3, generally multiple times a year for no other reason than to put up big k/d/a numbers to make my scrub ass look good.

Each season is like 9-10 months long and a large part of ranking up is grinding the ladder. If you really want a higher rank then you have to try for it, its kind of the beauty of this system in a way. Its not like blizzard where they say "just play your placement matches and get placed wherever even though its just an estimate and doesn't mean much". Riot's system is not perfect but ultimately it doesn't really matter that much in the end. Just have to grind you way to higher ranks if you want to. If you don't want to or don't care then don't bother playing ranked its fine. Its just how their system works.

DeathBurst1 votes

Complaining about placements is pointless.

Either Placements are good and put you in your right place. OR they are bad and put you below your right place, and if you really are below, it's easy to climb back up.

If you think you are placed lower than you deserve but can't manage to climb back up, I have a sad news for you, mate...

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