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Lets face it: Mordekaiser's ult will become a balancing nightmare.

Sherogarth·5/27/2019, 8:57:52 PM·54 votes·16,585 views

First things first. I absolutely LOVE the fantasy behing fighting for your life against a literal avatar of death (and metal), but on the other hand i can already see serious abuse potential in it.

Problem No. 1 "A worthy oponent." Lets face the sad truth. How often will we see Mordekaiser willingly targeting feed Aatrox / Jax / MasterYi... with his ult? Do you know who will be targeted insted? Champions that cant defend themselves and cant run away. "Lets challenge this Yuumi / Soraka / Janna / 0/10 Yasuo , they definitely looks like a good and fair fight."

Problem No. 2 "What happens in death realm stays in death realm... unless we are premade." Imagine a simple situation. You play on top vs Mordekaiser. You killed him already and you are ahead in cs, he is no threat to you. You just spotted enemy jungler, Hecarim, heading toward toplane so you turn around to evacuate to your turrent but then Morde ults you. He is not engaging you, he knows he cant win... but he can wait for his premade jungler to take good position on the other side. What do you do? Fight him? Even if you win there is his teammate waiting for you. Well, you can at last count on that his teammate will not know where you will reappear, right? Worng, they are on voice chat so he knows exactly where you are. GG fair duel.

Problem No. 3 "Scrifacial Mordekaiser" Another sitauation. You hard carry your team... 20/3/5 on MasterYi, feels good. Just one more teamfight and the game game is yours. You go in and... poof, you are stuck in this death realm with this useless 0/10 "support" Mordekaiser that went full tank.... How long will it take to kill him? 4-5s max. Once you are done with him you ready yourself to go into the teamfight... but your team is gone. Without it's only carry your teammates were decimated in seconds. Enemy team "traded" one support for one extermally feed carry. A worthy trade.

Problem No. 4 "Left to die" And last situation. You and 2 other members of your team ecounter 4 members of enemy team (dragon/herald fight or whatever). Your team disengages and everyone is almost safe but then enemy Mordekaiser ults you. This leaves 2 v 3 on the outside... your team decides to run for thier lives and leave you for certain death once you reappear, even if you menage to kill Morde there are 3 enemies waiting for you (or they are Irons and decide to go back 2v3 to save you... and all 3 of you die :D).

One last thing... imagine all this in Proplay. Pros are gonna hate this champ. Not that i care about esport nowadays anyway.

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Rock MD5/27/2019, 9:37:26 PM42 votes

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Problem No. 1 "A worthy oponent." Lets face the sad truth. How often will we see Mordekaiser willingly targeting feed Aatrox / Jax / MasterYi... with his ult? Do you know who will be targeted insted? Champions that cant defend themselves and cant run away. "Lets challenge this Yuumi / Soraka / Janna / 0/10 Yasuo , they definitely looks like a good and fair fight."

There's little value in taking a support AND yourself out of the game. On top of that the only stats you receive are base stats.

Problem No. 2 "What happens in death realm stays in death realm... unless we are premade." Imagine a simple situation. You play on top vs Mordekaiser. You killed him already and you are ahead in cs, he is no threat to you. You just spotted enemy jungler, Hecarim, heading toward toplane so you turn around to evacuate to your turrent but then Morde ults you. He is not engaging you, he knows he cant win... but he can wait for his premade jungler to take good position on the other side. What do you do? Fight him? Even if you win there is his teammate waiting for you. Well, you can at last count on that his teammate will not know where you will reappear, right? Worng, they are on voice chat so he knows exactly where you are. GG fair duel.

That's part of playing vs. him. You can't say Lissandra is unbalanced because she can use her ultimate in coordination with a jungler. Anyone can, especially if it's a crowd control type. Also, I imagine while he's there he can't see or deliver pings either.

Problem No. 3 "Scrifacial Mordekaiser" Another sitauation. You hard carry your team... 20/3/5 on MasterYi, feels good. Just one more teamfight and the game game is yours. You go in and... poof, you are stuck in this death realm with this useless 0/10 "support" Mordekaiser that went full tank.... How long will it take to kill him? 4-5s max. Once you are done with him you ready yourself to go into the teamfight... but your team is gone. Without it's only carry your teammates were decimated in seconds. Enemy team "traded" one support for one extermally feed carry. A worthy trade.

? How is this a problem.

Mordekaiser will be decimated before he even gets remotely close to you, unless he gets off a good flank or your positioning is shit. And in this case what's to stop a crowd control tank or support from doing the exact same thing?

Problem No. 4 "Left to die" And last situation. You and 2 other members of your team ecounter 4 members of enemy team (dragon/herald fight or whatever). Your team disengages and everyone is almost safe but then enemy Mordekaiser ults you. This leaves 2 v 3 on the outside... your team decides to run for thier lives and leave you for certain death once you reappear, even if you menage to kill Morde there are 3 enemies waiting for you (or they are Irons and decide to go back 2v3 to save you... and all 3 of you die :D).

And then you die because part of the utility in his old is trapping you.

One last thing... imagine all this in Proplay. Pros are gonna hate this champ. Not that i care about esport nowadays anyway.

If the range is too long, that's one thing, but you don't like legitimate and interesting uses for his ult because they punish your bad play or give Mordekaiser some flexibility outside of being a damage machine.

Slack King5/27/2019, 10:15:14 PM22 votes

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First things first. I absolutely LOVE the fantasy behing fighting for your life against a literal avatar of death (and metal), but on the other hand i can already see serious abuse potential in it.

Problem No. 1 "A worthy oponent." Lets face the sad truth. How often will we see Mordekaiser willingly targeting feed Aatrox / Jax / MasterYi... with his ult? Do you know who will be targeted insted? Champions that cant defend themselves and cant run away. "Lets challenge this Yuumi / Soraka / Janna / 0/10 Yasuo , they definitely looks like a good and fair fight."

Problem No. 2 "What happens in death realm stays in death realm... unless we are premade." Imagine a simple situation. You play on top vs Mordekaiser. You killed him already and you are ahead in cs, he is no threat to you. You just spotted enemy jungler, Hecarim, heading toward toplane so you turn around to evacuate to your turrent but then Morde ults you. He is not engaging you, he knows he cant win... but he can wait for his premade jungler to take good position on the other side. What do you do? Fight him? Even if you win there is his teammate waiting for you. Well, you can at last count on that his teammate will not know where you will reappear, right? Worng, they are on voice chat so he knows exactly where you are. GG fair duel.

Problem No. 3 "Scrifacial Mordekaiser" Another sitauation. You hard carry your team... 20/3/5 on MasterYi, feels good. Just one more teamfight and the game game is yours. You go in and... poof, you are stuck in this death realm with this useless 0/10 "support" Mordekaiser that went full tank.... How long will it take to kill him? 4-5s max. Once you are done with him you ready yourself to go into the teamfight... but your team is gone. Without it's only carry your teammates were decimated in seconds. Enemy team "traded" one support for one extermally feed carry. A worthy trade.

Problem No. 4 "Left to die" And last situation. You and 2 other members of your team ecounter 4 members of enemy team (dragon/herald fight or whatever). Your team disengages and everyone is almost safe but then enemy Mordekaiser ults you. This leaves 2 v 3 on the outside... your team decides to run for thier lives and leave you for certain death once you reappear, even if you menage to kill Morde there are 3 enemies waiting for you (or they are Irons and decide to go back 2v3 to save you... and all 3 of you die :D).

One last thing... imagine all this in Proplay. Pros are gonna hate this champ. Not that i care about esport nowadays anyway.

You think a fed MasterYi takes 4-5 secs to kill a tank? Have you actually played this game?

Alzon5/28/2019, 1:39:07 AM14 votes

Poppy Diplomatic Immunity

AbiwonKenabi5/28/2019, 12:21:22 AM11 votes

I don't really see a problem with any of these, particularly problems 2 and 3. These are just strengths offered to him from his ultimate.

Problem 2: not really any different from a premade preparing with a Lissandra ult or some other form of CC for Hecarim to come gank.

Problem 3: oh no, poor Yi can't hard carry on his own. Boo hoo. If a carry can be fed, there have to be ways and strategies to deal with it. Hard CC is really good against Yi (and most carries), this is just the hardest of hard CC. Camille's ult is similar, she can stop an ADC from positioning properly.

hrooza dota 5/28/2019, 1:19:52 AM7 votes

{quoted} "Lets challenge this 0/10 Yasuo , they definitely looks like a good and fair fight."

you dont need to challenge that, he will challenge you and your team 1v5

Cry of the Celts5/28/2019, 11:05:05 AM5 votes

But… what happens if morde use ulti on sylas, then, inside the realm, sylas ult morde?[sg-lux-2]

The5lacker5/28/2019, 4:28:47 AM4 votes

If you're doing so poorly as Morde that taking yourself out of the fight for 5 seconds just to bully the support is a good use of your time, things have already gone horribly wrong.

Tremaursen5/27/2019, 9:25:20 PM3 votes

Should probably wait for the ability details before making too many assumptions. The "1v1 me scrub" ult has seen several iterations throughout league.It started with Poppy, has been experimented with for J4 and Camille, and was once a beta Fiora ult iirc. Riot at least has perspective on how strong this kind of ult is, so I give them the benefit of the doubt for now

Akali is SO HOT5/27/2019, 11:20:51 PM3 votes

Wouldn't be surprised tbh

Nevrankroaton5/28/2019, 6:16:41 AM2 votes

Just for info, it was confirmed that the ult can be remove by cleanse and QSS

IshadowphoenixI5/28/2019, 9:56:21 PM2 votes

Alright, so is no one gonna talk about morde ulting the jungler during a baron play?

Sir Inugami5/28/2019, 1:00:01 PM1 votes

It's exactly like old Poppy's ultimate, and it's going to become a toxic trait that prevents the rest of his kit from having any significant power.

Poppy's VGU left out her iconic ultimate because it wasn't healthy for the game, and it made her unable to be buffed anywhere because of how stupid powerful it was to just choose any enemy champion and make it a 1v1 for an indefinite amount of time.

IainG105/29/2019, 1:56:11 PM1 votes

*Laughs in pre-Rework Poppy .....

SirHydro5/30/2019, 4:27:13 PM1 votes

I like how they gave the ult they wanted to give J4/Camille to Mord, instead of actually rework him. I think it's offensive and shameful Riot lacked the creativity to even give him anything knew. They just threw an idea they havn't been able to use in a few years onto Mord. Yummi is basically the result of people wanting a champion version of Kyko/other star gaurdian pets. "Would this be such a cute idea!"

Changes made for the sake of change always fail. Riot fails to realize this. They really put their foot in their mouths with this Mord "rework" It's laughable. It's a joke. I'm amused.