DO NOT BUILD EVELYNN AP (Read before downvoting)

Goroh·10/17/2017, 3:38:50 AM·35 votes·4,814 views

I am open to all debate and will reply to everyone


Ever since i played the new Evelynn I felt like something was seriously wrong. So after a couple games I did some stat digging and went to the lab.

Evelynn is NOT an AP assassin anymore, her kit is that of a TANK. (HEAR ME OUT)

To back up my theory I had to compare her to a similar AP melee character, Maokai

The information below is ONLY BASE DAMAGE Maokai Maokai Base AD - 64 , 67, 71, 74, 77, 81 Base HP - 572, 662, 752, 842, 932, 1022 Base Armor - 30, 33, 36, 39, 42, 46

Q - 70, 115, 160, 205, 250 W - 50, 75, 100, 125, 150 E - 25, 50, 75, 100, 125 R - 150, 225, 300

Evelynn ![Evelynn](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.11.1/img/champion/Evelynn.png) 

Base AD - 61, 63, 65, 69, 70, 73 Base HP - 572, 632, 696, 762, 832, 904 Base Armor - 28, 31, 33, 36, 39, 42

Q - 130, 180, 230, 280, 330 W - 2 second disable, 25-35% MR reduction for 4 seconds E - 30, 45, 60, 75, 90 R - 150, 275, 400 / 300, 550, 800

Evelynn 's kit is more attractive to a tank role. She has HIGH base damage on her Q in the early levels, meaning you can sacrifice AP for health/armor, and start off with a item 2033 for disgusting early trades. Her Q is on a lower CD, and has higher base damage than Maokai 's Q at all levels. Her E, as her second max, deals % Health damage something champions like Maokai Poppy Galio are known for, and compared to Maokai 's E, she beats him in % Health damage after 100 ap, AND can cast the ability twice out of stealth. Her W, the last max, but ability that puts her in the tank role in my mind, is a 2 second disable, that takes 2.5 seconds to ramp up. If you were to use this in the assassin role, you're telling your target "HEY I'M COMING FOR YOU, YOU BETTER BACK UP". Something that is INCREDIBLY attractive to a tank, NOT an assassin. Being a much less bursty, but being a lot better a sustained damage up close, people in a teamfight or skirmish aren't going to go "oh fuck, evelynn is about to one shot me, better use this 2.5 seconds to get away" (which is incredibly effective) they're going to go "oh i'm marked, and i can see evelynn, i'm fine". you walk up to them with hate spikes and charm them, giving your team effective CC. Her R, although isn't a very team oriented ability, gives you an EXECUTE, much like Darius or Garen . This also removes you from the fight in that instance, and gives you time to recover and move back in. This can also be used as an initiation with range similar to Amumu Q or Gragas E+Flash.

Her E Also gives you % movement speed on cast, keeping you sticky.

So what do a build on Evelynn if she is no longer an assassin? Simple!

Remember how completely aggravating and impossible to deal with item 3065 item 3068 item 3025 were? Now you get to use it effectively on Evelynn . item 3068 Compliments her base damage on her Q INSANELY well, making you seem weak, but SWIFTLY racking up a lot of damage in a skirmish. item 3025 Compliments her melee range. Keeping her close with a slow, dealing more base damage, and gives you CDR so you can Q+E even more. (Remember, E gives you movement speed!) item 3065 Compliments her need for MR, and provides more CDR. When your passive kicks in to heal you when you're close to death, you gain it back FAST, and can move back in for a kill. item 3742 Helps with your initiation, MORE BASE DAMAGE, and overrall helps you get around quicker. item 3116 item 3151 Are the cherry on top. you can build 1, or both. item 3151 gives you % Health shred, and .... you guessed it, 300 more HP and 80 AP. while item 3116 provides a slow on every hate spike, and gives you... EVEN MORE HP!

"But Scurvy..." I hear you saying. SAY NO MORE. Your keystone is no longer Thunderlord's Decree, From now on, you will be building your mastery tree 12/0/18, with the keystone Grasp of the Undying. It provides more % Health Shred and gives you Sustain, something tanks also enjoy. And in the rest of your tree you will want whatever gives you armor, health, and damage reduction. on the ferocity side, grab Ability % damage, and battle trance, to ramp up your damage in prolonged skirmishes.

And there you have it! you can ditch the troll AP Evelynn build, and start charging around on your 4 second cooldown stealth TANK. and don't worry, in lane you can pop your W on someone when it looks like they want to trade, and come out victorious once you've charmed them and responded with % health shred and high base damage on your Q.


Evidence gathered since post: In her recommended starting items as a laner, she is recommended item 1054 shield to start

76 Comments

Rustling Bush10/17/2017, 4:08:37 AM29 votes

so basically an ap assassin that is better of playing (w)as a tank.... gee gollgers that sure doesn't sound like anyone i know (Ekko)

nice table10/17/2017, 7:47:41 AM9 votes

the first thought i had when i saw this rework was "aren't people just going to play her tank?", well maybe it's happening now.

LankPants10/17/2017, 6:54:23 AM7 votes

I don't think you ever want to buy Sunfire on anyone in the current state of the game. It's just a bad item that lacks use cases.

My advise for a build if you're going to try this would be something like

item 3025 item 3800 item 3001 item 3152 and item 3151 just to make you as adept at closing a gap and applying W as possible with decent damage from Liandry's and Abyssal when you do.

Linna Excel10/17/2017, 3:44:50 AM6 votes

My only problem with this theory is her health regen passive needs AP.

I'd suggest AP bruiser: item 3157item 3102item 3151 item 3116item 1402 +boots

Colgate Gator10/17/2017, 5:00:55 PM4 votes

I'm not gonna lie, I am curious to try this.

Iręlía10/17/2017, 3:19:23 PM4 votes

But then again, she has SHITE cc, and there for actual tanks are still doing their job better than her.

Shes just blah all around atm.

abbbez10/17/2017, 10:23:24 AM3 votes

If only she sill had some ad scaling, I'm just a bit sad that they completely removed every one of those :/

Ahris10/17/2017, 3:40:51 AM2 votes

Can you post your match history? Ty.

Flawless Fetus10/17/2017, 7:25:19 AM2 votes

Riot said the rework intended to make her a diver. Not surprised if this is optimal. Good find.

Eternal79110/17/2017, 4:44:15 PM1 votes

Isn't this what they were trying to prevent with her rework? I remember Riot saying people played her like a bruiser when they wanted her to be an assassin.

lofi n chillhop10/17/2017, 12:10:39 PM1 votes

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I am open to all debate and will reply to everyone


Ever since i played the new Evelynn I felt like something was seriously wrong. So after a couple games I did some stat digging and went to the lab.

Evelynn is NOT an AP assassin anymore, her kit is that of a TANK. (HEAR ME OUT)

To back up my theory I had to compare her to a similar AP melee character, Maokai

as a long time Maokai main, my criticism is that he's actually a pretty squishy tank and he still has higher base stats than her. he's a little tankier now than he used to be, but if you don't know how to play him you squish fast in lane. you have to abuse his Q and passive in lane to win it. it'd be a lot harder to lane with eve because of this.

FCJAAAAGOOOO10/17/2017, 9:39:11 PM1 votes

Complements*

RavenMagus10/17/2017, 10:03:45 PM1 votes

I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing it.

She has HIGH base damage on her Q in the early levels, meaning you can sacrifice AP for health/armor, and start off with a [Corrupting Pot] for disgusting early trades. Her Q is on a lower CD, and has higher base damage than [Maokai]'s Q at all levels.

Her Q does not CC at all; Maokai's does. Maokai's Q is a fat skillshot that goes through minions. Evelynn's is a narrow one that can be blocked by minions; while you can still get the three Hate Spikes off afterwards, the damage is considerably less if you don't land the tether.

Her E, as her second max, deals % Health damage ... and compared to [Maokai]'s E, she beats him in % Health damage after 100 ap, AND can cast the ability twice out of stealth.

Maokai's E has much larger range (and I mean MUCH, as in it has actual range), it slows the target (providing extra CC - something a tank should be good at), and you're not hitting 100 ap any time soon with your suggested build of Sunfire Cape and IBG.

Her E Also gives you % movement speed on cast, keeping you sticky.

The movement speed is ... alright. Considering it's already a melee range ability in the first place, it doesn't really allow you to be that sticky at all. Any sort of range cc or slow will keep you away.

You need certain things to be a good tank. You need to have good, reliable CC, or you need to be very sticky. Evelynn is neither of those things; her charm is very delayed and telegraphed, making it rather unreliable, and she is just not very sticky at all with her lack of CC and mobility.

Why did Tank Ekko work, then? He didn't have much CC either - only his W, which is just as delayed as Evelynn's CC is. However, the payoff for him landing a good W is much higher than an Evelynn charm (teamwide stun vs single target charm), and he is much, much sticker: a ranged attack that can slow, a combo that slows more and gives him a speed buff, and a low cooldown gapcloser.

Why did Tank Fizz work? He has even less CC: this time, only on his ultimate, which is honestly more reliable than Eve charm but on a much longer cooldown. But again, he is much stickier than Evelynn. If you try to slow him, he'll just jump forward, and then dash through you to the other side, and then jump again shortly after. It's so hard to get a high CDR Fizz off your face.

I really don't think Eve has what it takes to be played as a tank. Now, can it work? Maybe. There is certain benefits to just having a lot of HP and standing uselessly in front of your team: even Volibear wins games occasionally. Is it better than building AP Assassin? Maybe, but if so, it's due to assassins in general being weak in the meta right now, and Eve having a hard time of it - for the same reasons that she'll have a hard time as a tank. If you stun, slow, or push Eve back, she simply can't continue to engage. She is forced to back out. Now, she can always go into Demon Shade and return to the fight from a different angle, and that's the true strength of AP Evelynn; but that's not very useful for a tank, who needs to be constantly frontlining for their team.

Is Eve at all comparable to any real tank, or even other AP assassins built tank? I really don't think so.

Trap or a Trick10/18/2017, 12:39:10 AM1 votes

i don't see it working, but ill try it before I hate :/

Falling Ic310/18/2017, 1:05:14 AM1 votes

another champ reworked into a tanky bruiser SionWarwick Galio full tank is so riveting (not).

Trap or a Trick10/18/2017, 1:11:18 AM1 votes

okay, I tried, its absolutely worthless lmfao, her charm is garbage and her trading is even worse