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To the jg players out there

zaire90·1/20/2017, 4:28:02 AM·3 votes·474 views

How the hell do i play jg. I tried playing jg when midalee was no longer a thing and i really liked her so i figured jg couldn't be that hard. I was pretty wrong. I sortof just gave up on the role last season but this season I figured I would try to get back into trying to learn it but it goes really bad and not gonna lie its pretty discouraging combined with team getting frusrated while u know u cant blame them for being mad and then the enemy team jgler just beating u so bad u start to call him chris brown in all chat

I don't know when I should be ganking
When to counter jg
How the enemy jgler for some reason is always a lvl above me
Why i can never solo kill the enemy jgler even when im the one that somehow got a lvl ahead
Why everyone wants me to be everywhere at once
When i should choose between farming or ganking
Why no one goes in with me when i gank they just watch until the fight starts then comes( even tho that might just be a people prob not jg)
When i should get an objective cause my team never wants to drag when i ask them to help me. These are all the things i can think of at the moment. And for champs i wanted to learn was , , , , Im gonna prob play new already bought him just waiting for the release now, ,and

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EndlessSorcerer1/20/2017, 4:33:06 AM2 votes

I would suggest watching videos by high-ELO and/or professional junglers (i.e. Valkrin, Meteos, Stonewall008, Nightblue3, and FoxdropLOL). They will typically provide a lot of useful tips while playing and you can often see or hear their decision process and some optimizations throughout the game.

Off the top of my head, some basic optimizations may be:

Use hard-CC when the monster camps are about to attack you to cancel that attack and delay their next.
Attack Speed is extremely efficient at clearing on most junglers. I'd recommend using about 15% on champions when you need to speed up their clear even if they don't use the stat much later (with a few exceptions, such as Nidalee and Evelynn).
Keep a control ward out (or in your inventory) whenever possible. This is important for every champion, but I thought I should emphasis it. There isn't really a good reason not to.

As far as ganking is concerned:

When possible, conserve your gap-closer while ganking. If you can get to the enemy champion without using your mobility spell(s), then you can save it to catch them after they try to escape (Flash, dash, blink, etc).
You should should try to stay between the enemy and their escape route. You should be trying to move backwards (towards their escape) in-between attacks so that you can body-block them and slow their escape. This also leaves you closer to them if they try to dash or blink past you.
It can be risky to gank top-lane while Dragon is up since the enemy team can just group and take it 4v3. I'd recommend ganking top-lane early if possible (after your initial clear) and when Dragon is down; that lane can be quite snowbally due to isolation, so you want to get your ally ahead.
Learn to recognize the general times when buff camps spawn during games. If you see the enemy gank bottom lane while their top-side buff is up, you can go steal it from them.
Watch when top and bottom lane initially go into lane. If that lane has leashed for their jungler (missing health, mana, or showed up to lane a bit late), then you know where the enemy jungler has likely started and where they will end their clear (where is closest for them to gank).
If you have killed the enemy laner, you can either allow your laner to freeze or shove the lane into the enemy tower. If you shove the wave under tower and the next minion wave is coming up, it can be helpful to proxy it to ensure that the wave fully resets and the enemy laner misses as much as possible. This is very situational though and you will have to learn when through experience.

Other tips:

Whenever possible, walk up to the enemy champion during a gank and save your gap-closer for after they use their escape abilities.
Watch the enemy laners when they go into lane. Whichever lane shows up later and/or missing mana will likely indicate which side of the jungle the enemy jungler started on (which is useful for predicting gank paths and for counter-jungling).
Watch the minimap to see when and where the enemy goes to ward, which laners are pushing, which laners are vulnerable
Know, roughly, how most laning matchups go so that you can prioritize which lanes are the easiest to gank or require an early gank to decide the matchup.
If you have blown an enemy's Flash during a gank but haven't killed them, swing back around immediately after an gank them again. Many people don't expect it
If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.
Top laners rarely bother warding the lane bushes. As such, lane ganks can be quite surprising and effective.
When you kill an enemy laner, shove the minion wave into the tower so they miss gold and experience and so that the minion wave will reset to the middle of the lane. If you can get away with it, clear the upcoming minion wave as well to ensure the reset and maximum missed minions.

You will learn a lot through experience, but these tips should help you at the start.

Thrëat1/20/2017, 5:00:45 AM2 votes

I've been a Jungle main since Season 2 and have been in Diamond for the last 3 seasons (Including current), heres my input on your questions:

I don't know when I should be ganking It is very situational. Sometimes there is literally no where worth ganking. If you have the option of farming a camp or ganking you need to realize that if you pick the gank over the farm and the gank doesn't go well you put yourself behind where you would be if you just farmed the camp. If you play safe too much and just farm and the enemy jungler ganks and you don't rebalance the lanes the enemy jungler tilted in his favor then your team will suffer for your ganking. If all of your lanes are winning (rare) then sometimes it is best to just counter jungle knowing that if you ward and ping correctly you will win the 2v2.
When to counter jg Read above. Also, if the enemy jungler is ganking top lane and I don't think I am in a position to solo dragon and my bottom lane is not in a position to help out then I will grab what I can out of the enemy jungler's bottom half of the jungle. This way the enemy jungler doesn't really get much of a lead off of the gank top since he lost farm for it.
How the enemy jgler for some reason is always a lvl above me Jungling takes being efficient as far as path clearing goes. If you don't path correctly you will fall behind. If you back too often you will also fall behind. If the enemy jungler is ganking successful and taxing and you aren't counter jungling you will fall behind.
Why i can never solo kill the enemy jgler even when im the one that somehow got a lvl ahead This could come down to so many factors. Your itemization might be bad; the enemy jungler might be level 6 to your 7 or 8 but if he just spent and you have 3k sitting in the bank then he is stronger. Your champion pick might be a weak dueler. Your mechanics might just suck. Too many factors to give any good input.
Why everyone wants me to be everywhere at once You actually need to learn to somewhat ignore team mates that mass ping for help, breathe, ,and do what you believe is in your best interest without completely neglecting the needs of the team. Its a balance. I have my ping volume set to 5 so I don't get tilted by the losing lanes mass pinging for help. Helping a completely lost lane isn't going to win you the game. You don't win by making your most behind team mate slightly less behind, you win by pushing an advantage.
When i should choose between farming or ganking Read number 1 and 2.
Why no one goes in with me when i gank they just watch until the fight starts then comes( even tho that might just be a people prob not jg) This happens at all Elos, a LITTLE less in higher elos, but still happens. Pinging targets, and mass pinging for assistance before going in usually helps. I'll ping On the Way to the lane I am going to gank, then I ping my target if it is bot lane or theres 2 top (like if I am counter jungling) and then I make sure to ping if I intend on changing the target mid gank, like if the enemy blows a flash but the other target is still killable.
When i should get an objective cause my team never wants to drag when i ask them to help me. Situational.

I actually stream and show off lots of secrets and tips for jungling.

https://www.twitch.tv/deception85

Questions are welcomed.

Curious Kat1/20/2017, 6:05:38 AM2 votes

I will answer some of your questions quickly, when to gank : after you get a buff, try to get red buff, hit level 2, and then look for any lane pushed up. If no lanes are pushed up, then you need to go back to farming. This is when you can also look to counter JG. Further more, you should always look to gank ANY lane that the enemy is pushed up on. The are practically FREE ganks! if no enemy is pushed up, then you need to go back to farming.

The main reason your behind a level, is because the other JG is just faster. They cleared the jg faster, and tried to gank, and leeched some minion EXP, something like that. That's usually the only reason to be behind, unless the enemy JG actually kills you and then takes your jungle.

If you can't beat the other JG 1 on 1, it's because they counter your pick. Like, Elise, will SHIT on a Lee Sin at level 3, there is just no match there. Her little spiders will do all the work for her. Or it's because they had a buff, and you didn't. Like dragon buffs, red buffs etc, buffs help A LOT.

As to your lane question as to why every lane wants you to gank at the same time, that usually means all the lanes are failing, and that is NOT your fault. A lot of people like to blame the JG for their mistakes to make themselves feel better about losing a 1on1 or a 2on2. However, it is your job to try to help them as best as you can, whenever you can.

You just gotta accept that there will be matches where you as a JG will not be able to help. You WILL get those team mates that blame you for their mistakes, and you need to mute them.

Concerning why nobody goes in with you on a gank, did you ping? Did they have mana? Did they have their ult? How low HP were they? ETC, stuff like that. Sometimes they just don't follow up because they didn't expect the gank. And did not pay attention to their map, that's why you ping multiple times when running to the lane. Other times, it's because they couldn't follow up. Minions could have blocked them, no mana, CD's etc.

Objective wise, you want to look for Dragon fights when your bot lane gets a kill, or even your mid lane. You want to make sure you have more folks there, so the enemy can't contest the fight. After a successful bot or mid gank is the ideal time to go for Dragon. It means the enemy team will not be able to SAFELY contest the fight, and that's when it should be an easy free dragon. Same thing for Baron after 20 minutes, if your team grouped mid and got a good pick, but won't be able to push a turret, it's incredibly easy to bait the remaining 4 enemies into thinking your going to Baron, you slaughter them, then you get a free Baron!

Hopefully this helps, good luck, message me if you have any questions regarding my responses :D