Can we make it clear that TROLLING is not the same as "BREAKING THE META"

ceral4·7/4/2015, 11:01:32 PM·84 votes·4,089 views

Breaking the meta is doing something unconventional but somewhat viable like ap varus.

However, breaking the meta is not suiciding to camps over and over again with ad heimer jungle.

"me 0-30 hurr durr new feeding breaking meta strat!"

EDIT: Ok ap varus isn't good, but I'm talking about avoiding zero-scaling builds such as AP riven

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Bard on Bush7/4/2015, 11:02:49 PM33 votes

For my next trick, Ill make my health bar disappear

- AD leblanc

BeatzBoyFTW7/5/2015, 2:51:20 AM15 votes

Meter bar of meta/trolling:

Meta(10)----------------------------------Breaking The Meta(5)--------------------------------------Trolling(0)

Top Sion --------------------------------------Jungle Karma ------------------------------------------------ADC Singed

Shockforce7/5/2015, 4:53:45 AM6 votes

Going 0-30 has nothing to do with the champion pick and build.

blueberrypancake7/5/2015, 12:25:58 AM4 votes

I'm so scarred of playing ADC Kennen in ranked and getting reported for it that I literrally got to Rank 4 mastery just so it wouldn't look like I'm trolling and I'm actually skilled at him.

I just wish they reverted his nerfs in Season 3 where they decreased his range by 25 and base AD by 4.

If they reverted those changes I'll be the happiest person alive.

Edit: I know most people don't want Kennen to be buffed but if they helped ADC Kennen by adding a Bonus AD ratio on his E or Ult then it wouldn't make his Ap build broken but make his AD build viable. Like all I'm asking for is that AP Kennen get like 2 extra damage and ADC Kennen be viable

I just hope that Darius main don't get too pissed

Clapper of Asses7/5/2015, 12:28:54 AM4 votes

Last Season when i could pick Nautilus i played him full ap mid or top it rekted. They just had buff him );

Hard4Hamsters7/5/2015, 2:38:08 PM3 votes

Diana : item 3078 item 3110 item 3102 = Breaking the meta or trolling. I've heard both.

I play her as a tanky initiator/fighter on occasion. BoRK is another offensive option as well as opting for IBG over Triforce, the rest of the build is centered around tank stats in the form of Randuin's, Warmog's, GA, and Thornmail, building against the team you are facing. It looks a lot like the AD Fizz builds you see.

Basically, it boils down to if you are successful or not. When I carry a game with this build, people go "That ADC Diana carry" and "Holy crap, that kinda works". If I'm unsuccessful and do poorly, I hear "Troll Diana build, WTF" and "Report Diana".

As an aside. I don't play Ranked, which may be what the OP is upset about; when someone plays something that could be considered trolling in a Ranked game, but I would keep an open mind if I were you. Sometimes the people who are using this "Troll pick" are actually pretty good at it because they have practiced it quite a bit. The first time I saw AD Fizz, I thought my teammate was trolling. The same when AD Nidalee was a thing, but these things were actually meta once. In addition, did you know AP Gragas was the meta all the way up to when he was picked up with Cinderhulk in the Jungle :O? I was actually harassed by teammates when I played Gragas with this build: item 3027 item 3065 item 3025 item 3068 in toplane "WTF, you do no damage, you need more AP". Months later, Gragas' tank build defined the meta. I'm not saying that AD bruiser Diana is comparable to the thought process behind AD Fizz (which was pretty ingenious) and she doesn't have AD ratios like Nidalee, but she does do very well with Spellblade effects and Attack Speed and she is a great duelist (bonus points for throwing off your opponents itemization).

Anyway, that's my piece. There is a lot to be said about when your teammate is trolling or they are actually pulling off something viable. If they are legitimately trying, though, and you can see some reasoning behind what they are doing, I hope you keep an open mind, because it may surprise you.

Nin10do00147/5/2015, 4:51:04 PM3 votes

Here's my view of Breaking the Meta. Breaking the Meta is like sex. If you do it with consent, it's okay; otherwise, you're gonna ruin someone's day and get in trouble.

If you ask your partner to have sex, and he or she says "Yes," then you'll have a great time! If you force your partner to have sex, you'll ruin his or her day (and even his or her life), and you'll get charged with rape.

If you break the Meta with your teammates' consent, then everyone will have a fun time with off-meta shenanigans. If you insta-lock Fiora Support or anything off-meta without your teammates' consent, you'll ruin their game (and maybe their day), and you'll get reported and likely banned for trolling.

YOLO420SWAGSCOPE7/5/2015, 3:25:22 PM2 votes

I had a bard jg in one of my ranked games once . . . we won i also saw piglet do AD lb with trinity and statikk...he got a perfect kda

Cats Are Food7/5/2015, 1:57:17 AM2 votes

No, because trolling and feeding isn't the same as breaking the meta. Let them say what they want, they will still get banned, and those that simply break the Meta won't. See how simple that is?

Rueian7/6/2015, 11:48:35 PM1 votes

Lets make something really clear. You don't break the meta, the meta grows.

Playing off builds is experimenting, but realistically unless you are some top level player, the established meta at all layers of game (lane splitting to champion select to item builds) will not change. You as a single person probably wont influence the individual meta at any level (unranked to challenger) unless you are some god at analyzing. Because the meta is not what 90% of players think it is. It isn't your play style or the playstyle of the game. It is a process of analyzing the data of past games (ALL games) along with all given data about the game (CS worth, spawn rate, skill/item interaction, etc) and finding the most optimal use of all resources given (Bans, pick order, team comp, Jungle and CS gold/xp).

This kind of analysis doesn't just change because you want it to. the 'meta' shifts with each patch because the circumstantial data for the previous patch changes. Its like this in a super simplified way of looking at it 1 + x = y if x is 2, y is 3. If you change x, y wont equal 3 anymore. At lower levels of gameplay skill matters more than your character, but as you reach higher and higher skill levels the theoretical maximum for each character will get reached. If you assume both sides have the absolute maximum skill level then the match up data becomes solid and that is where a meta develops. Realistically the only reason people stick to what they call the 'meta' which in reality is just agreed upon champions that are either naturally strong (assassins, ADC, High Base damage tanks, etc), or are easy to synergize with (hard CC initiators, Buffers, Healers, etc), is because no matter what you say, this game boils down to being a team game, and you and your team want to be able to understand each other at some level even with absolutely no words said or typed.

The Meta only matters, and only really develops at top level play. You as a casual or ranked player, realistically do not matter and will not break the meta unless you can really sit down and justify it with others of the top level community, not just with theory, but with HARD FACT though numbers.

IceKingChernobog7/6/2015, 4:52:45 PM1 votes

I've done Hybrid(Mostly AP) twitch a couple of times before....his Dot and Liandry's Dot are best buddies

Fritterz7/6/2015, 4:58:20 PM1 votes

I played Wukong ADC a while back because of some poor team communication, we won.... Early game/csing sucked because of a lack of ranged, but they were soon torn apart by his Ult.