I just fixed Essence Reaver!

1 4m 4 n00b·2/11/2015, 8:03:47 PM·1 votes·1,066 views

80 AD 10% Cooldown Reduction 15% spellvamp 10% lifesteal Essence reaver passive

Alternatively you can make the passive just like the elixer of wrath, except now it restores health and mana.

25 Comments

KidSpectre2/11/2015, 8:04:59 PM3 votes

I wouldn't say "Fixed" more like made it brokenly OP.

Darth Pixy Misa2/11/2015, 8:24:28 PM2 votes

To fix it the build path needs to be changed. ER is ok but for the cost you can get better things.

I think the recipe should be Pickaxe + Forbidden idol 875 + 600 + (1250) = 2725 With stats: 70 ad 10% CDR 50% base mana regen 10% lifesteal UNIQUE Passive: Restores 2% to 8% of the damage dealt by basic attacks as Mana. This effect increases based on missing Mana.

Jeddite2/11/2015, 8:31:14 PM1 votes

I think the recipe should be Pickaxe + Forbidden idol 875 + 600 + (1250) = 2725 With stats: 70 ad 10% CDR 50% base mana regen 10% lifesteal UNIQUE Passive: Restores 2% to 8% of the damage dealt by basic attacks as Mana. This effect increases based on missing Mana.

Getting closer.

Pickaxe + Vampiric Scepter + Forbidden Idol

However, if it doesnt build out of a BF Sword, the total AD will probably need to come down. But Essence Reaver doesnt need to build out of a BF Sword...

Sukishoo2/11/2015, 8:37:36 PM1 votes

It's an AD item... why would AD users need spell vamp?

Drunk Rummate2/11/2015, 8:41:15 PM1 votes

Haha he said he fixed essence reaver, but what he meant to say was that he broke Jax.

SquirrellyOtter2/11/2015, 8:54:18 PM1 votes

Spellvamp is a bad idea on ER. I think enough spellvamp items exist: besides, spellvamp heals on magic spell damage, which typically scales AP, not AD (unless as other comments have said, you're Vladimir or Jayce). (see post edit note for adjusted information)

The real problem with Reaver isn't the lifesteal; it's the passive and the recipe. It has the same recipe as Bloodthirster but has so many difference stats (CDR, "mana-steal" passive) that it really shouldn't have the same recipe as one of the most powerful raw AD/sustain items in the game.

As for the passive, it's only present once the item is complete. But the reason you get Reaver is for the passive; you don't have access to any mana regen outside of buying mana pots or building actual mana regen items, which are typically useless on the people who would benefit most from Reaver (ADCs and AD bruisers). Again, that's tied into the recipe: there should be some way to access either mana regen or perhaps a nerfed form of the passive (think Hexdrinker vs Maw of Malmortius) in the build order of the item, because even if you rush it as your first item (and that would probably be widely seen as a poor choice strategically) you will be starved for mana if you try to make plays prior to completion.

I kinda like the idea of making a lower-tier version of ER, again with the Hexdrinker analogy. It could even build into more than just ER; ER is the AD version as is on live, but it could also build into an AP item with different stats better suited to bringing harassing mages back into the meta.

Edit: corrected spellvamp definition.

Post Edit Note: Even with the correction, look at typical ADC or AD bruiser spells. Many deal damage and would be subject to spellvamp, yes, but many also have no direct source of damage because they are more utilitarian: Think Caitlyn W traps and E jumps, everything in Sivir's kit minus Q Boomerang, Twitch's kit minus his E nuke, Lucian's E dash and W chase power, Corki Q vision and W dash. Not all are perfect examples since there are some spells that do deal damage along with their utility, but most of these spells are about engaging, disengaging, applying CC to enemies, or modifying the user's auto-attacks, which isn't subject to spellvamp healing and is therefore a worthless stat to ADCs and AD bruisers.

My original point stands that changing the lifesteal to spellvamp is a bad idea.

Darth Pixy Misa2/11/2015, 9:31:15 PM1 votes

Instead of a 1250 recpie cost i kinda like the adding Vamp scepter idea, so: Vamp Scepter + Pickaxe + Forbidden idol = 800 + 875 + 600 + (425) = 2700

70 ad 10% CDR 50% base mana regen 10% lifesteal UNIQUE Passive: Restores 2% to 8% of the damage dealt by basic attacks as Mana. This effect increases based on missing Mana.

Seems like something core for Sivir.

DisasterSola2/11/2015, 8:20:26 PM1 votes

.... No. That makes it useless on champions not jayce.

Also, 15% spellvamp as a stat and not a passive? Are you INSANE?

Yeah, ill just get this AD item on vlad along with my WotA for 45% spellvamp.

Also, essence reaver doesnt need to be "fixed". Its not a bad item, theres just a scant few who can use it and the varying mana vamp just bogs it down.