Can we stop with the bull feces already, Riot.

Sevencix·8/23/2017, 3:00:55 PM·3 votes·384 views

Now. I'm incredibly tired of this, and I've been keeping it contained for a ton of time now.

But can we discuss Garen for a brief moment? I've never understood why he's supposed to have a passive that regenerates an unreasonable amount of health, a silence, a slow breaker, an E that shreds armor for 25%(combined with Black Cleaver, that's 24% on max Cleaver stacks, making it 49% ARMOR REDUCTION.), an execution which can deal true damage, but usually just magic damage, and he don't even have mana.

In many cases, I also find myself 100-0'd by a Q-E-R combo, even though the Garen in question hasn't even finished Sunfire Cape, an item that doesn't necessarily give too much offensive capabilities besides it's AoE magic damage.

I managed to deal 546 damage to a dummy with Garen on level 6, with 9 armor, 9 magic resist, attack speed quints and 9 attack damage runes, using Undying as keystone. And that, mind you, is not even including the additional damage from his ultimate when you deal 437 before you use your ultimate. And it was also on targets that had 100 armor, something people rarely have at level 6, for reference.

So tell me. Is it me being retarded here and missing some obvious weakness about Garen that I've yet to figure out, or am I somewhat in the right of Riot's balance team needing to man up a little? I am not claiming that I could do it better, but I'm more interested in the fact that all this actually passed seasoned playtesters, and yet it's still approved. Kinda like Cho'gath's infinite stacking and slows.

I'm not the best player in the world, and far from it. I even just got demoted to Silver 5 after a severe tilting fest, as I'm pretty sure I've been all the way up to Silver 3 promos this season. But I still somewhat stand by my point.

Give Garen mana, remove his silence, whatever. In my opinion, he's a bit overloaded to be quite frank. You need to press 3, potentially 5 buttons to 100-0 a bruiser in lane, and that's not even counting the fact that he can repeat his Q-E combo after 8 and 9 seconds each, dealing you another 437 damage if you're unlucky or unskilled enough.

Thank you for reading this, and I'd dearly like some advice on how I can improve fighting against Garen, and I'm rather embarassed I can't deal with one of the most simple starter champions this game has.

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14 Comments

Jbels8/23/2017, 3:06:44 PM2 votes

Did...did you actually just complain about Garen being broken, and not about how limited his simple design forces him to be?

Nahui8/23/2017, 3:08:18 PM2 votes

You are the minority in this opinion. He's very easy to kite and melts pretty fast to an ADC.

Meep Man8/23/2017, 3:10:50 PM1 votes

Kite him. If you can't, stay away from him and get as much farm as you can. Peel for members of your team who can deal with him. It's how Juggernauts are. They force teamwork, especially if you are a melee as Juggernauts are the top of the food chain melee v melee duels.

hoganftw8/23/2017, 3:26:23 PM1 votes

Just walk away from him, dude.

FDS Desperado8/23/2017, 3:30:43 PM1 votes

Are you any good at Darius or Pantheon? Or give us some options of people you like to take Top Lane.

The Sword Saint8/23/2017, 6:31:53 PM1 votes

Because garen is trash tier against players who know what he does and play around him correctly.