You ever look up an ARAM player and see an odd amount of games on Ziggs, Sona, Xerath etc.?

1 800 GGTOOEZ·3/6/2018, 10:42:57 PM·75 votes·6,599 views

Why do we not have all champions unlocked in ARAM specifically to stop a select group of people from consistently abusing the strongest champions in what is supposed to be a game mode whose entire draw is not knowing what you're going to get?

61 Comments

Mountain Warden3/7/2018, 2:59:43 AM39 votes

Yup a change is necessary. Unlocking all champs would take care of ARAM accounts. And if they don’t want to go that far, I’d take a compromise. What if the pool of champions you can play with is communal to all players (allies and opponents included). Say your opponent owns lux and you don’t, you’ll have the same probability of rolling her as they do. So owning more “aram” dominating champs actually may benefit your opponents. And champions which none of the 10 players own or aren’t free that week don’t get rolled. Boom problem solved. You’re welcome.

SpecterVonBaren3/7/2018, 4:58:00 AM10 votes

While I do believe ARAM only accounts are a problem, please consider the following. ARAM has way more people dodging than any other mode due to someone not liking their comp or champ and people will usually reroll bad ARAM champs but not the strong ones.

SettDownShutUp3/7/2018, 4:12:32 AM9 votes

As someone who plays solely ARAM (yes, they exist,) more often than not people gun for the longest range champs possible. There's a reason there's 2 rerolls you can save up. It might as well say in big bold letters "Break Glass in case of Mordekaiser".

Lost Paradox3/7/2018, 3:10:38 AM9 votes

They probably don't want to do that because then people would play ARAM more often then SR. It's no secret that this game has gone downhill and they refuse to acknowledge anyone without a Challengers rank or above.... sad stuff Esports has done to Riot Games.

SaltLord4513/7/2018, 2:29:51 AM8 votes

ARAM only accounts are just sad tbh

LadyRenly3/7/2018, 3:58:00 PM7 votes

"Team comp doesnt matter, what matters is player skill"

"eww im playing udyr" dodge

HalcyonDweller3/7/2018, 1:33:28 AM6 votes

Yeah fuck those people, they're taking advantage of the system to optimize the fun out of the game for everyone else.

No flash no life3/7/2018, 5:23:26 AM5 votes

It's unfortunate that you can't check the amount of times a player has dodged, otherwise I'm fairly certain you'll see a very high ratio between games dodged and games queue'd while you're at it.

ADC5LUT3/7/2018, 1:51:58 PM4 votes

As someone who owns every champ and plays a ton of ARAM, honestly, I don't see a problem with ARAM in its current state. I feel that any push to try and force players into non dominant champs will force longer queues / more dodges. Having every champ unlocked means 3/5 games I have a reroll. Whereas an Aram account with 20-30 champs on has to play 7-10 games for one reroll. And they aren't guaranteed to get 'their' champs because of free rotation and such low reroll points per game. The only people who are currently negatively impacted by ARAM accounts are people with small champion pools that are shit for ARAM and honestly who gives a shit about them. Why they playing ARAM in the first place? Scrubs.[sg-ezreal]

Sl4yerKing3/7/2018, 6:21:41 AM4 votes

I feel like the free champion rotation already solves this issue.

Northmund3/7/2018, 1:49:36 PM3 votes

That is why old dominion was the most superior fun mod ever existed.

Ztoka3/7/2018, 5:11:14 PM3 votes

Unlock rewards for unowned champs and I'd be ok w/ it. I don't see it fixing anything though. Unlocking all champs would make for more dodges because you still will get a ton of people who won't play anything in aram other than Ashe Zoe Ziggs etc.. You could enforce stiffer penalties but that will just lead to more accounts (for more dodges) and maybe even killing the game mode. Don't forget how much money riot generates from smurfs making aram accounts and using rp to unlock champs since unlocking the CHAMPIONS YOU WANT takes forever w/ how stingy BE now is..

revliledpembroke3/7/2018, 6:13:44 AM3 votes

If you want all champions unlocked in ARAM, go play Smite's version of it. All of their Gods are unlocked for it.

Have fun getting all those champions you never played and you have to reroll with their versions of BE and RP!

ZaneShadow3/7/2018, 6:16:03 AM3 votes

Cause riot has to at least attemp to make money and having a mode with all champs would hurt their margins by quite a bit I guess. I think rotating free champs can at least sorta help prevent people from always getting their champ.

ChaddyFantome3/7/2018, 5:06:30 PM2 votes

Honestly, i dont even care. Let them. Its really not a big deal. If they are gonna go through all that trouble, just for a shoot the shit side mode, id say they go ahead. Not like it gets em LP

Ifneth3/7/2018, 1:25:10 AM2 votes

Good idea!

Almo3/7/2018, 8:03:04 PM2 votes

I have been asking for this for a very long time but Riot 0 response. Riot, I will appreciate what ARAM stands for (All Random All Mid) when you unlock all champions for everyone and make it a true random experience. I cannot wait to see all these ARAM accounts raging in the forums.

The Deckowner3/7/2018, 5:31:22 AM2 votes

The problem with opening all championin ARAM is ARAM only players will not ever need to buy chamoipion, therefore less likely to buy skins, which leads to a loss of income for Rito.

Malfectious3/7/2018, 2:47:29 AM2 votes

I upvote this every time it comes up.

RainbowIcee3/7/2018, 4:01:19 AM2 votes

Inba someone is going to comment about the client not being able to handle it.

Drugoth3/7/2018, 9:29:35 PM1 votes

I mean, we have to keep in mind champion trades too. In theory you have 5 chances to get a champion you like in ARAM if you include the possibility of trading with teammates.

I have all of the champions unlocked personally, but if I see a teammate with a champion I like, I will often try to trade for it.

I'm not saying ARAM accounts don't exist, all I'm saying is they are not the only reason you see certain champions played more than others on a seemingly random game mode.

[sg-ahri-2]

VoraciousX3/7/2018, 9:26:34 AM1 votes

Heck, if this is such a problem why don't they just make the free rotation for ARAM be like 20-30 champions, and only allow THOSE champions to be picked from the list, completely removing player owned champions from the list. If having them all unlocked would create problems then only allow so many at a time regardless of if anyone owns them or not.

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No. I do not want to play champs i dont own or have never played. If its free this week, so be it. But fuck having everything unlocked. And i say this owning most champs in the game.

Also, queue dodges and rerolls skew your stats greatly. If you reroll or dodge if you dont get a good champ, then chances are pretty good youll get one.

(Or shyvana. It constantly wants to give me shyvana)

ARAM is meant to be completely random. Getting a champion you own or don't own should not be any sort of factor at all imo. I remember before I owned so many champions I would constantly get ones who I'd never played, and some I would find out I enjoyed a lot, others I'd find out I didn't. It actually caused me to buy some champs back then. Now I've played every champion at least once I'm fairly sure, so it's not the same, but I still feel like above all, it should be random, whether you own or don't own the champion. The mode isn't meant for you to get your favorite picks all the time. It's meant for you to play a random champion in a 5v5 one lane setting.

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To be fair, I think there's this whole mythos of "poke is king" that everyone angles for. that just isn't true for ARAM, and hasn't been for several years. ARAM is actually #LeagueofTanks, specifically Engage Tanks. If one team has a Rakan and a Maokai, the other team has no front line, and the Rakan/Maokai team isn't boosted, nothing else in the game matters.

There's exceptions and naggles, but you can very reliably predict high Elo arm matches by "which team rolled into fat initiation", which makes me feel weird whenever I see people complaining about shit like Xerath and Ziggs.

Sona can go die in a fire though

Just take the strike through out. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way lol. But yes I definitely feel like supports are really strong in ARAM. I've constantly destroyed people with Nautilus even going full AP, they just can't handle it. Mages though I used to build like an AP bruiser style, before they removed some of the items I used to do so with. Not being able to die while pumping out consistent damage did wonders.

Jerry SeinfeId3/7/2018, 11:00:38 AM1 votes

I'd be more worried if they got shit like mao, malph or ornn all the time.

Poke is strong but without frontlinie you're not getting anywhere.

Aram goes poke>tanks early tanks>anythin else starting mid game. After that you're gonna need soms vayne + veigar type of comp to beat them.

Why are you looking at other ppls champs anyway as long as yours is random it's fine. If soms loser wants to make a seperate account for aram so be it, he'll get good shit all the time. But you can't expect to bever see a champ in 2 games back to back. I've played multiple back to back thresh/singed aram games using trading/rerols and once pure luck.

Saianna3/7/2018, 3:42:52 PM1 votes

We said that since the relase of the mode.

One Rioter answered me politely with something like "we will not change it and just fuck off, stop annoying me", albeit politely.

Riot cares for ARAM only for 2 weeks on winters break when they have to sell their winter skins. Try in ... 8 months and maybe you'll catch a rioter then.

EverythingIsGone3/7/2018, 4:09:53 PM1 votes

Because tbh, I don't want to play ARAM. I want to play the map, but I only wanna play the few champions that I enjoy. So I make an account with only assassins and fighters, to avoid being put on shit mages and supports.

MalrothDragonia3/7/2018, 5:27:00 PM1 votes

I'll see if I can find it for you, but Riot actually posted about this. The disparity in seeing champs like Lux, Veiger, Ziggs etc. in ARAM is that those are actually just some of the most-owned champs in the game. The chance that someone will randomly get it is overall higher because more people own those champs than others.

Nea1043/7/2018, 8:27:24 PM1 votes

Question is, why they haven't done that already, like years ago? :D

Aspynn3/7/2018, 9:19:55 PM1 votes

This would be great, but at the very least they could make it truly random from your pool of champs. I do own mostly mages, but from all of the champs I own, I don't think I have EVER gotten Vi Shen Nunu and have owned them for years, yet I get Anivia Kindred Taliyah Veigar ALL THE TIME. Sometimes twice in a row. Or like I play anivia, start another match, get dodged out, and get given anivia again. I am perfectly fine with playing most of my champs, so it sucks to get the same few over and over again.