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Is there a reason as to why pick Shyvana?

King Luwing·6/11/2017, 9:28:11 PM·2 votes·673 views

Well, I've been thinking of writing this discussion for about 3-4 patches now, but I'm just afraid of watching it disappear into oblivion with RIOT never seeing this discussion. Have you ever considered buffing Shyvana's W movement speed, at least the duration from 3 to 4 seconds? It's not a damage buff and would make her ganks less pathetic. It's so ridiculous how RIOT can forget about a champ that no one has realized that since her W got nerf in 7.1 the scaling of the on-hit part of it always stays at "(0)", both the ad ratio and ap ratio. Would it really hurt buffing her Q's early damage and making her E's percent health damage just a bit less early (2%) and make it scale with ranks instead of 2.5% all ranks. That would make her just a bit more viable in terms of late game and ganking.

9 Comments

Rengooo6/11/2017, 10:41:04 PM4 votes

Shyvanas kit doesn't seem to be aging very well, when she is strong she is just rediculous to deal with and clears her jungle like its nobody's buisness but for the rest of the time she is usually not a very good pick.

So much potential in that champ thematically speaking, I personally think she would really benefit from a full vgu.

Laustin Space6/11/2017, 10:17:25 PM3 votes

Adding a slow to her dragon forms e would probably help considerably. The main problem with Shyv is her niche has always been a farming jungler that gets ahead in exp and gold and uses that advantage mid to late game to pressure a win. This season they nerfed her clear they nerfed the jungle AND added a catch up mechanic where junglers behind in lvls get bonus exp. It is now an early game ganking jungle meta which is a meta shyvana cant really thrive in. Doubtful they will fix any if this which is unfortunate for dragon lady. All of that being said she is still "viable" and can become a monster in games where luck is on her side, but meta picks will almost always be better and much more reliable then her.

Edit: Another niche of hers is dragon pressure with her ability to solo dragons starting lvl 3/4. Although junglers like ww vi and kha etc. share this niche while being better all around for the current meta.

Hexs Fortune6/11/2017, 10:50:40 PM1 votes

When your team has cc and could use damage+tanky out of the front line

DunkinNoobs6/12/2017, 12:11:07 AM1 votes

Shyvana really doesn't need buffs right now, if that's what you're suggesting. The really good Shyvanas are still doing very well for themselves.

General Esdeath 6/12/2017, 12:26:05 AM1 votes

I think she's fine to be played, the issue is she's very unstoppable if she gets ahead. She can get tanky, deal aoe damage with her ult form, and has mobility on an ult that has pretty much no CD and is instead limited by her resource.

Dark Nephthys6/12/2017, 3:45:52 AM1 votes

I feel that the nerf to her clear was a bit to much. She is supposed to be a strong and fast farming jungler since her ganks aren't very good at all and yet her clear is like slower than a lot of the meta ganking jungler. While she can still be very good at counter jungling, but the enemy's jungler probably clears their camps faster than she does.

If they really want to keep her jungle clear where it's at, I would love for them to revert that nerf to her Q though. That way I'll have a little bit better chance playing her top lane again.

TehNACHO6/11/2017, 9:46:34 PM1 votes

Okay so you are asking something entirely different with your title than you are discussing in the post.

To answer the title, yes there is a reason to pick Shyvana. The problem is that niche is too spread out among multiple champions, being the job of outpunching anybody that walks by for the most part. Her old passive, her Q, and her E serve no other purpose than for fighting or maybe destroying towers depending on her build with her Q. On top of this, her W is offensive waveclear and long term mobility. If not for her Ultimate or new Passive, there is literally nothing in Shyvana's identity that isn't "statchecking splitpusher". To add on to this, her Ultimate isn't even that great when compared to say, Malphite. Her only real identity right now is in her Dragon passive, putting her in a similar category to the likes of Nunu and Skarner as a neutral objective controller which works "okay" with her splitpushing basic kit. Ideally, her niche should be getting the most bang for your buck with dragon control while transitioning into a ridiculous splitpusher. Realistically, you will basically never pick her unless she is stronger than most other splitpushers in the game.

You don't pick Shyvana to gank. Hell, I'd say you pick Shyvana with a great big neon sign for the enemy team that says "I will not gank". With that in mind, the movement speed boost seems to target the wrong area. You're not defining a niche for Shyvana this way, you're just giving her more generalist power so now she's the splitpushing neutral objective champion that also has just that much more ganking potential. Buffing her splitpushing power is also not a real option if the goal is defining a niche for her. If you really want a better niche for her, look at her passive or giving her kit a new functionality other than "walking statstick" and "piss Malphite Ult"

RaiokuMoonscar6/12/2017, 3:51:41 PM1 votes

Honestly those that keep saying her jungle clear is slow are doing something wrong lol

I can still take raptors, red, wolves, blue, gromp, and sometimes skuttle by the time the enemy gets rdy to gank, and still be over half hp.

xJLx MCHammer6/11/2017, 9:55:43 PM1 votes

It used to be because of her clear speed Then it shifted to her ability to counter jungle because of her dueling power

Now you pick her because she is worthless