LeBlanc nerfs on PBE are missing the mark

Fisher No Chains·3/13/2019, 5:47:13 PM·29 votes·12,333 views

For those who don’t know, LeBlanc’s Q ratio on PBE got lowered from 0.4AP to 0.3AP. While it doesn’t seem like the biggest nerf, it’s a 20% AP ratio nerf on her main damage ability in mid and late game.

LeBlanc is average right now in SoloQ, having a 49-50% winrate in Plat+ and Dia+, it’s obvious that this nerf targets her pro play performance. However, this is a very bad nerf for pro play and it will make her relatively weak in SoloQ while leaving her still viable or even strong in pro play. Let me explain why.

LeBlanc isn’t picked in competitive primarily for her high, reliable burst (that’s literally all she has as a champion tbh), she’s picked for her pick potential and her insanely good gank/jungle assistance. Lowering her burst damage doesn’t make her less scary early on, it just makes her late game even worse than it already is.

For SoloQ, it means that she’ll become even more feast or famine than she already is (every class has some sort of defensive item to fuck her up), meaning that she won’t be able to do the only thing she’s good at if not heavily ahead. What changes for pro play? Absolutely nothing, her snare and mobility are exactly the same and pros won’t stop picking her just because she deals less damage, because burst damage barely matters when you play in a team that actually follows you up.

If you really want to nerf LB (and for SoloQ she doesn’t really need it tbh, and neither does Zoe) do not nerf her damage (especially now that ADCs have access to a lot of defensive options), nerf her E. Ethereal chains is way too good at rank 1 for a spell that’s relatively easy to land thanks to Distortion, lower the snare duration or make it scale with rank, make the radius smaller, or increase slightly its CD or mana cost to make her less of a guaranteed kill or flash every time her jungler ganks mid.

26 Comments

OrangeMarine3/13/2019, 9:37:38 PM11 votes

riot balance favoritism at it again. She's pretty fucking average and one of the more feast/famine champs in the game. High pick rate, average win rate, but the way she wins/loses games is very different than most champs.

when she wins she CRUSHES and starts one shotting squishies. When she loses, she feels worthless, offering little utility and tickle damage, while being super squishy. Her mobility helps in this case; but often when she is behind, she is forced to base just trying to get a rotation off because again anything not strictly melee she needs to get close and stay close for her chain to pop.

but she is obviously nerfed because of pro play or high elo; she is somewhat tricky and more complex than other champions for lower rank players to succeed with. Wave management is hard and easily exploitable , and her skill shot is a crucial yet difficult part of her damage/utility.

meanwhile we have champs like Ahri Riven Zed Fizz TwistedFate JarvanIV RekSai XinZhao Khazix Evelynn Sylas Jax Vayne Sivir Lucian Soraka Morgana Nami Thresh with comparable pick rates and all higher win rates.

looks like reksai is getting nerf, fuck im actually surprised how quickly she gets nerfed. For as sickenly op as she currently is , i would expect them to release her a skin, and then balance her in a month or two later.

ahri, zed, riven are obviously untouched because $$$ and popularity

but lucian has been choking the botlane of diversity for MONTHS now. He's just too easy for how strong he is. Khazix is oppressive, Im surprised i dont see him more but that's probably bc of my rank. Ahri, riven, jax, eve, soraka been ignored for so long. and zed got a buff

MorgManBasher3/13/2019, 7:59:14 PM11 votes

Champ needs reworked, no one wants to lane against that disgusting champion

nelogis3/14/2019, 10:43:35 AM10 votes

Actually they aren't missing the mark because the mark is getting nerfed

Saianna3/13/2019, 8:14:17 PM8 votes

I always find it... weird, how mages have their ability ratios constantly nerfed. It's to the point where non-mages end up with better AP-ratio combos than mages.

When AD champions get nerfed, Riot rarely nerfs their ratios, but usually base damage and even that is by little. Like.. What the fuck does Riot expect mages to do at this point? start building AD or what? Or maybe wag their tales and bark happily as they are cramped forcefully to bot lane as supports?

RoseburyNoire3/13/2019, 11:13:24 PM5 votes

This is so true. Pro players, streamers and mains agree: nerfind her Q scaling clearly is NOT the solution! Also, she isn't that problematic above bronze/silver and her scaling is not the most annoying part of her kit.

hi im mimic3/14/2019, 2:54:14 PM4 votes

Yikes a lot of lower elo players showing their colors here lol.

This is a very rational post and it deserves attention. LeBlancs early game dominance is more about her gank assist than raw damage.

People at higher elos and pro-play dont die solo to Leblanc as easily because they know she has high damage.

The root from Ethereal Chains is what causes issues. It lasts a long time and come level 6, landing a chain essentially gurantees a kill which is perhaps a bit too strong.

The fact is, while shes a strong solo q pick...the numbers aren't there to support a nerf of this magnitude. It's too much and in the wrong direction. This is a nerf geared toward pro-play that doesnt even target why she is strong in pro play.

It needs to be reconsidered and adjusted to be nerfed in the right way.

Nevrankroaton3/14/2019, 6:25:46 AM3 votes

She is a fucking shitty champ who should have never been reverted. I will enjoy her being garbage, old leblanc suck as hell to play as and play against. I stand by my bias, they wanted one of the most boring/shitty assassin to be back? There, now back to the gutter so her mains can reflect on their BS.

IAmTheLego3/13/2019, 10:14:32 PM3 votes

LeBlanc is the type of champion that points a huge middle finger to fairness in this game.

Her e range is more or less impossible to dodge no matter what you do. She's so unfair that she makes even Zed look slightly fair even though he's not either. Actually both are as bad as the other.

Zullar3/15/2019, 8:27:06 PM2 votes

Ryze was nerfed when he was 43% win rate. LeBlanc is 49% getting nerfed.

Riot puts too much weight on pro play balance and it feels like they mostly ignore the regular player base.

Z3Sleeper3/14/2019, 12:44:35 AM2 votes

Bruh she doesn't even need number nerfs. She just needs her goddam tether to be BALANCED. We've loaded the boards with so many discussions pointing out the exact same solution:

Make her E tether relative to the range she hits it at so she can't point blank E and W out while not breaking tether cuz it has goddam 850 range. It's that simple Riot.

Smartness Immune3/13/2019, 8:08:29 PM2 votes

I liked the "old-new" LeBlanc where i could just ult across the map and troll enemies into wasting their flash. Personally i don't like the "new" LeBlanc but i agree with you.

Sire Hippington3/14/2019, 8:21:04 PM2 votes

Most of all, the tether range on her E needs to be lowered, it's currently like zoes bubble, if you get hit, you WILL be CCed 1.5 sec later no matter what, the only way to break it is haveing a hard mobillity tool + flash, it's just insane. Nering the duration to 1-1.4sec scaleing with rank would help aswell.

Jennifer4203/14/2019, 12:00:32 PM1 votes

when i read the title i seriously expected something like "we nerf her movementspeed by 5" or "her q is now on a 0.5 second longer cooldown"

AS I LAY FEEDING3/14/2019, 4:31:37 PM1 votes

So long the base is high the nerf wont matter.

Peel for my ADC3/14/2019, 4:43:13 PM1 votes

I think she's fine where she is , high cap champion , not easy to play . She's below average for an OK leblanc and above average in the hands of someone who is good on her . Her late game is already terrible anyways

AS I LAY FEEDING3/14/2019, 4:06:40 AM1 votes

Current TOTAL: 110 / 160 / 210 / 260 / 310 (+ 80% AP) Nerf: 110 / 160 / 210 / 260 / 310 (+ 60% AP)

complaining about a spell with 310dmg, even if i was playing LB i would consider this nerf nothing big. You are a mage anyway, mages are op.

WitchQueen Annie3/15/2019, 7:47:32 AM1 votes

Leblanc does not deserve this nerf.

She's picked in pro play for her chain (strong and reliable Gank setup) not due to damage. This won't impact Pro Play in the least, meanwhile, you're unfairly gutting her.

You nerf her damage and she'll be unplayable in Solo Q. She relies so heavily on her Q and RQ for damage. She's already under 50% win rate; this will make things much worse.

This nerf isn't right or fair, not when other Mids can sit far above 50% win rate for months/weeks.

Poske3/14/2019, 12:08:37 PM1 votes

Gut revert was a mistake, she is helpless ever since gut revert yet she is receiving even more nerfs like a gut revert wasn't to much It ll be funny to see 45% winrate LB again