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Please remove Oracle's Elixir from ARAM. Please.

Señor Trickett·4/12/2017, 3:39:36 PM·7 votes·2,922 views

Oracle's is so cheap, and it fully eliminates a handful of champions' ability to utilize their kits. It's ridiculous. It would make sense to have it in SR where people choose their champs, but not in aram. Nothing like being dealt a stealth champ and being useless because the other team's tank first items oracle's and refreshes it the rest of the game.

Morellonomicon and other such items only debilitate your champ for a few seconds. Even ignite is a smart thing to have if the other team has Dr. Mundo or Swain. If ignite or Morello had an aura that lasted 5 minutes, I'd be singing a different tune. Oracle's effectively ruins the entire game for stealth guys. You can't just alter your build to compensate for having your abilities removed from your kit. You can't just "be better" and play to your fullest potential sans 2 abilities.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be SOME counter to stealth. Bring back the sweeper, and remove its passive. Just make the active last longer. Working it into an actual item makes sense. It has other attributes that aid you while the active is on cd.

Maybe if it didn't reveal traps in bushes when you aren't even in them. What kind of bs is that!? I'd even be a lot more ok with it if it didn't reveal stealthed champions.

Those that think it's balanced simply because it costs gold and needs to be continually bought are stretching to justify a broken potion because they don't like to play against Teemo. The phrase "get good" comes to mind. Folks cry about Teemo being op in aram without oracle's, but what about Lux? Or Vel'koz? Or Xerath? Or Jayce? Can I have an item that only costs 300g, lasts 20% of the match, and removes one or two of their abilities too?

I understand that aram isn't designed to be balanced. It's just a fun thing. I get it. I love it! Just don't make it so easy and inexpensive to ruin it if someone gets Shaco.

19 Comments

ƒrostγ4/12/2017, 3:43:30 PM5 votes

Sure so cancer teemo can murder everyone with shrooms. The map is too small, so you need a cheap way to somewhat counter stealth champions. Not to mention the fact that not everyone from your team is buying it, only 1 or max 2 people.

Partybringer4/12/2017, 9:13:21 PM4 votes

just played teemo a while back and the entire enemy team had oracles by lvl 8 didnt get a shroom off or allowed to stealth the rest of the game. lost half my kit

BowMaster9304/14/2017, 7:58:45 AM3 votes

Went from like 20/12 on Shaco and hard carrying my entire team to the next minute being completely useless and finishing 23/18 because they could just see me in my stealth and I couldn't engage into their team or use my boxes. We even had their nexus towers down, but they had a Kayle sitting back with Oracles just waiting for me if I tried to back door and their Fizz and Kalista both had it so they just assassinated me if I ever Q'd close to them....really frustrating to play..

JavelinJoe4/12/2017, 3:46:55 PM3 votes

Removing it is a bad idea, but lowering its effective range is not. As it is now, 2 of them can cover the entire lane's width. Also halving the effective time would be nice so they are not just a cheap, 5 minute, death persistent buff.

Hethalean4/12/2017, 3:42:25 PM2 votes

I still don't really feel like I'm that inhibited by Oracle's Elixir in ARAM when I'm Teemo or even Shaco. I'm bad at Shaco though so there's that. I just have to change how I play. Shrooms can't be a never ending minefield for the opponent sure, but they're still useful. People still step on them even with oracle's on lol

PhDs Nuts4/12/2017, 9:29:41 PM2 votes

They shouldn't get rid of it, but it should have charges that get used for each unit seen until it runs out. Let it find 3-5 units or 1-2 champions or something that can be balanced.

They'd need to be cheaper, though. It's also unfair that one team has to be a half item down because they spend 500-1k each on oracles to counter your stealth champ.

1374344/12/2017, 3:45:29 PM1 votes

I don't mind it that much because really it is only aggrevating if you are playing as Teemo or Shaco (and with Shaco it is really only the q it is annoying with, as you can't really clear the boxes without popping them), but I agree it is kinda bs that it reveals traps/champions in bush even when you have no vision in there. The old sweepers didn't do that with their passives (the actives did, but that was giving vision inside the bush so it made sense).

Munchichi4/12/2018, 4:54:54 AM1 votes

I don't think removing it, but maybe not letting it see in bushes so shaco, jhin, and teemo aren't cucked. Also, after it spots a trap/box/shroom, it has 10 seconds left to see stuff, kinda like Duskblade.Shaco

dolphinmissle5/12/2018, 3:57:34 AM1 votes

If you don't think it should be either removed, or drastically nerfed it's because you don't play any of the champs it effects and just don't care if they're getting screwed. You probably reroll, or trade them when you get it. Try playing teemo web the entire enemy team buys it and your ult becomes useless as well as your passive.