Why is literally trolling in game so easy to get away with?

Misses Old Talon·10/12/2018, 10:06:48 AM·32 votes·12,182 views

I just had an AP Shyvana Jungle who would literally ping "On the way", sit in a bush next to you during the "gank" and then recall while you died, and whenever this lead to the team dying would type "Aw man, thats unlucky." every time. This player is clearly trolling, and has had very poor scores as this exact same pick every game for the past 7. Why can this player just be allowed to grief actively, and avoid the punishment because the text chat is nice, but if I were to even say a single insult towards them, I'd receive a chat ban or worse? The current report system is honestly just so biased to griefers, and punishes anyone who dares respond to them.

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NocturnalSheild10/12/2018, 10:15:04 AM22 votes

Because its prohibitively expensive to hire enough people to manually view every single game and programs arent complex enough to catch trolls.

You guys act like riot does nothing. That not true, its doing everything its capable of doing while still being fair to shit players.

Unless you want to change the rules and make being bad bannable. That makes it way easier to program an ai ,(kda >1 ban, 2 weeks)

MahouSenseii10/12/2018, 10:08:32 AM8 votes

Cause Riot doesn't care so trolls run free

Done2510/12/2018, 12:42:54 PM7 votes

Download the replay and upload a copy of the video to support. Enjoy the "A player has been punished" notification.

ModKnightsKemplar10/12/2018, 3:17:31 PM6 votes

My personal theory is the bystander effect.

Most people, I expect, don't report these players. They just assume other people will do it, and they don't prioritize it. I do this myself sometimes. I lose a game, I'm eager to go to the next one, and I forget to report the guy who was flaming.

If Riot doesn't get consistent feedback about that trolling, how are they supposed to stop it? As NocturnalSheild pointed out, they could never, ever hire people to review every game. Totally impossible. They rely on player reports to catch this stuff.

That's why, whenever I talk on Boards, I encourage people to send reports. They do something, but you have to send them for it to work. Out of 10 games that guy as trolled, how many games do you imagine he was actually properly reported? I'd be surprised if it was more than 5.

Bârd10/12/2018, 8:32:25 PM3 votes

Because you can't differentiate between trolling and lag/incompetence with an algorithm and it's not practical to manually review every game that gets reported.

Marothennan10/13/2018, 8:30:17 AM2 votes

because unless you are a streamer the only thing that matters is if you say kys or not

Colton14710/12/2018, 2:07:58 PM2 votes

Never underestimate the power of hybrid Shyvana . item 1419 item 3146 item 3111 item 3124 item 3065 item 3742

(Level 7 Shyvana)

Ratpie10/12/2018, 1:18:32 PM2 votes

While there is a lot of trolling, it is hard to really hard to judge off just the description you posted. If there was a clip to watch then maybe more could be said or done by Riot. They may have pinged and then you engaged in a really dumb way that was going to get you both killed (not saying that happened, just that we cannot tell). There are just a lot of variables. There have been times where I as a jungler have gone to gank and the lane did something that kept me from being able to do anything about it. Some examples:

They keep pushing so that I can't even get in if I tried. Ganking top and Yorick has vision and pulls out his ult in a position that he will just get a double kill. Go to gank, and the laner pops their ult in a dumb way that puts the gank in jeopardy. Go to gank, but their jungler or other laner comes in to counter and has better position. And still other possibilities exist.

So based on your description Riot can't just ban that because of the complexities, unless they were to review every single game, which they probably don't have the manpower to do. I think that someone else already said the best option. Send a video clip of what happened so that Riot can easily see what was done, and I think you would have a better chance.

So if a champ were to ping for the gank, sets up, but then lets you die and then emotes a laugh at you, they could see that pretty clearly if there is a snapshot to watch.

Handy Sandy 10/13/2018, 7:04:58 PM2 votes

well how do you expect to identify who's trolling and who's just being original and trying a new tactic without manually watching each game that someone gets reported in

GripaAviara10/13/2018, 12:33:28 AM2 votes

Because riot doesn't care

A company that cares would've implement bullshit like forced 50%? No A company that cares would've let the damage skyrocket like this despite the old fan base hating it? No

BestPudgeNA10/14/2018, 7:32:23 AM1 votes

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I just had an AP Shyvana Jungle who would literally ping "On the way", sit in a bush next to you during the "gank" and then recall while you died, and whenever this lead to the team dying would type "Aw man, thats unlucky." every time. This player is clearly trolling, and has had very poor scores as this exact same pick every game for the past 7. Why can this player just be allowed to grief actively, and avoid the punishment because the text chat is nice, but if I were to even say a single insult towards them, I'd receive a chat ban or worse? The current report system is honestly just so biased to griefers, and punishes anyone who dares respond to them.

Why do people consider everything to be trolling these days? I will agree with your on the second point the current system is bullshit

Jennifer42010/12/2018, 1:06:19 PM1 votes

lets be honest.

trolling is super hard to detect

but riot also barely bothers with banning them.

i dont expect riot to manually review every single game, but if they would actually put some effort into banning trolls, the game would be way cleaner.

Noor Sakata10/12/2018, 6:08:04 PM1 votes

Is Ap Shyvanna a troll trend or something ? because I had 2 of those AP shyvanna on my team trolling , kda players , playing AP , stealing kills with E , preventing us from scaling , stealing cs from lanes , never help any lane , never go for objectives , only farming every where , sounds like I joke in my 2/6 Ahri match had a 17/4 Shyvanna who was doing raptors exactly near us me and top laner vs enemy jg and top laner , she continues farming raptors pinging that she is coming , we we died , she cleaned the kills after and that's how she played the whole match , also they use their Ultimates always for running , safety , they never engage and never do anything but farming cs and kills , I heard they are most likely they are smurfs who don't wanna rank up , just stay and smurf in the Elo they are in then play again then demote etc..

jump down410/13/2018, 12:32:04 AM1 votes

Why the people troll in rank can get so high that they just keep trolling on it when look at the recent game. 80 % of game are trolling with 2/17 and still have a 60% win rate.

3TWarrior10/13/2018, 3:04:13 AM1 votes

zero tolerance systems always fail and encourage disruptive activities

Ok sure but why10/13/2018, 6:12:42 AM1 votes

Riot's too busy banning people for typing "SHYVANNA WHY WOULD YOU EVEN BOTHER PINGING??!?"

Norglics10/13/2018, 9:26:16 AM1 votes

first riot should remove the stupid report for verbal thing , if you dont like what they write just mute them , or turn of chat this would remove a huge amount of reports , so reports would have a meaning

Gabresol10/13/2018, 2:03:59 PM1 votes

The main issue is that riot's algorithm has to treat every report as a potential false report, what means that they can only punish consistent bad bheavior.

"But how could my report be potetnially false?" There are enough players who report for picking certain champions, report for kdas like 1/3 or just use the "griefing"-report for fun, so to countermeasure the communicty that is just as toxic in game as it is post-game to get innocents banned, they wrote the alogrithm preffering to let trolls go but also do not get innocents players banned.

So basicly... The toxicity of the community makes it harder to punish the toxicity.

There are potential ways to overcome that problem in theory:

increaseing report value with honor level
decreasing report value with number of 'number of reports send / Game' value
giving players a limited amount of reports

But all of these could lend to problems one way or another...

GreaterDeath10/13/2018, 11:48:31 PM1 votes

I feel like we need to bring back the unskilled report option, this would give players more options to report someone for other reasons. Because there are players who have a bad day and perform worse than they normally do and if I remember it properly, it doesn't put the person reported in trouble for a ban but just reduces chances of the reported and the player from playing together again.