Any Mordekaiser ADC Mains or players still out there?
I just wanted to learn your builds and the success you have been having (ranks). Is Triforce still a main Item? Does he need all Ap now? Let me know
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Mordekaiser is not an ADC. He's a Juggernaut.
Triforce was never a good item on him. Just because everyone uses it, or pros use it, doesn't mean that it's a item that works with him. I can go into details explain why, but for now I'll just give you the "acceptable build":
First off, skill order. Some would max Q, others would max W and more would max E. I say that it really depends on both the enemy laner(s) and your support, if you are bot lane. If you have a support that can garantee a lock down on someone (Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank) then maxing Q would be best. If you have troubles "surviving" against the enemy, then you should max W, or you have someone besides you (support). If your situation is none of the above, then you should max E.
For me Q is his best ability, in terms of damage. Not only does it scale really well with both AD and AP, but the static cooldown goes down from 10 seconds to 4.
W is also a really good skill, because it let's you trade efficently with the enemy and it's especially useful if you can have an ally near you all the time (or your ghost). It gives you HP back when you use its effects and provides you, and allies, with mov.speed when running towards each other. I would advice you not to use it on minions, unless you are in a Solo lane. It should go something like this: Ghost/Drake > Allied Champion > Minions
I don't like E that much. It's a decent skill for wave clear, but its cooldown is kinda high and the base damage is not there; it scales well tough.
With all that said you can now chose your skill order. If in a solo lane: Q>E>W If in bot lane (general case): W>Q>E if you have a support with lockdown: Q>E>W If you can't hit your enemy: E>Q>W.
You don't need W when you are solo because there's no ally with you, so you get full experience. You only max W fisrt if you have a support and/or if you need the sustain.
Now the item build. This is kinda a grey area, since so many players try different things. One thing is for certain. Don't buy triforce. Triforce is expensive (3700 gold) and it doesn't give you that much damage comapared to other items for that price. Sure it gives you a sheen proc, but you can only do to that once. Your Q is strong already, so you are better off scaling it with more AD/AP than using the sheen effect of triforce. The best thing about it now is that it gives you cooldown reduction.
1st build: 
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This is gives you a good mix of both damage and tankiness. You are very durable with your W sustain + the HP from Steraks and Rylais sinergy.
2nd build: 
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This is takes advantage of the ghostblade 3 hit active so you can sinergise it with your Q.
Right now you might have notice that I value Rylais a lot. That item not only gives you both HP and AP, but it also sinergises very well with mordekaiser's kit. You have a damage-over time ability (W) and a semi-spamable ability in between auto-attacks (E). Your ghost will also proc Rylais effects and it's especially useful when you have your Ghost Dragon. Rylais is by far the best item on him.
Really late items:
There's some situational items:
Your job is not to tank the enemy team, but it is to deal damage. Sometimes you might need that extra tankiness and because you are melee, the Deadman's plate will work with you. Liandries is good, but I don't think you'll need to buy one at all unless they have a Dr.Mundo or someone like that. Both Void staff and Mercurial are there for obvious reasons. If they are stacking MR then you need Void Staff. If they have someone that can lock you down, like Annie, then the mercurial will be useful.
With all that said, you can try stuff out for yourself. By the way, I'm not a Mordekaiser main. I'm played him a lot back in the day, but I don't anymore. All those suggestions are based on what he can do and what he can't do. I would tell you to try Triforce at least 3 games and then switch to Rylais and see how much of a difference it makes.
I played him a bit last Season, with decent success (55% winrate in mid-Silver, despite the support issue I mention below). Except that I start with Relic Shield, I build it the same way as in Solo lanes, though. Rylai, Gunblade, and semi-defensive items (Sterak, Zhonya, Abyssal, ...) or true Tank items (Deadman, Spirit, ...) in varying orders to adapt to the current situation. Spirit especially is good if they have any amount of Magic damage, because it synergizes with your W, your R, and Gunblade once you have it, and Deadman helps not being kited.
I never tried a more AS-centric build myself (Nashor, Guinsoo, Triforce, maybe Mallet), but I heard on the boards some people had decent success with it. I can't help you with that, though.
Farm and sustain through your opponents poke (maxing W and Relic Shields are key) until you have level 6, ideally before them thanks to your passive XP, then all-in them.
Both sustain supports like sona/soraka (to help you get to the point where you can actually fight) and hard engage supports (to make sure you leave no choice to your opponents once you do decide to fight) are good, the only thing that doesn't really work are poke supports, from my experience. That being said, it's hard to find a good support player to go with him, because his playstyle is very atypical compared to an ordinary ADC, so the usual player doesn't know what to do to properly synergize with you. Not their fault, really, but still annoying.
Mordekaiser is usually played in a Solo Lane nowadays due to the things that made him strong as a Bot laner were nerfed into oblivion.
There are actually two ways to play him;
The W max build that taps into his healing and relies on heavy AP
Or my preferred build; The Hybrid Bruiser build.
I actually main Mordekaiser and even got Diamond with him this season with a build that looks something like this;
I tend to Max E due to its synergy with tanky builds and usually play him top.
i can do okay sometimes but i dont like first picking it. dont pick it into caitlyn or lucian. my preferredx matchups are ezreal and vayne.
triforce is definitely viable. have yet to try the new one, though. you can go tri or nashors for atk speed item. first item is always rylais, no exception.
morde lacks range so i find protobelt a necessary evil to deal with adcs. rylais slow from protobelt ensures they arent going anywhere
I still prefer him botlane. I don't know a correct build for him, I just build AD tank.
I still play Morde Bot a fair bit. I tend to do pretty well when my team actually cooperates with me instead of just complaining about me picking Morde bot. I really like Triforce on him now that it's been reworked and I build it first every game now. 0/18/12 masteries with Stormraiders. AD marks, Armor Seals, 6 CDR/lvl glyphs, 3 MR glyphs, 3 health regen quints. Typical full build is something like 
. The most important items are the first 2, the rest are largely situational. Just max E first, it's your biggest pushing tool and best trading tool all in one.
I dunno what elo you're in but I used to play him bot when the rework came out but after nerfs and the marksman update I wouldn't recommend taking him bot you'll probably just feed. I do play him mid/top occasionally and I almost always build triforce + rylais scepter then full tank and it tilts enemy teams into losing. Make sure you build defensively to start though or you'll be forced to go full tank if you feed early just because you wanted sheen over negatron cloak.
Naw bud Sorry i quit the game over the rework which killed his fanbase effectively
I just don't see how a melee champ with no rs he's skills can compete in bot Lane. Even if you have a hard engage support its really hard to lane melee vs ranged.
The only makes carry in my opinion, that can survive bot is gangplank. He can farm like a beast, can get out of cc and has huge ranged and aoe dmg with barrels. Or other hard engage champs like jarvan or Lee to just snowball.