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Why I consider Riots attempt to fight toxicity a failure, please discuss!

FixHealsRemoveGW·9/5/2018, 10:58:58 PM·4 votes·3,054 views

Bold claim: ** I think that the heavy chat restrictions and bans based on chat actually didn't improve the game AT ALL. **

Because in short I also think that toxic chat is for the most part an indicator for and a result of toxic gameplay, chat is used to vent but also to exchange ideas and you can restrict communication and make people afraid of using the chat, but then the gameplay is still toxic and all the negativity and the conflicts will manifest somewhere else, for example as even worse gameplay or hatred towards Riot... troll pings, soft inting, tilting.

The chat should remain free and only extreme offenses should be punished, because the chat is not the source and you can't fix anything by doctoring around on the surface.

To some extent I think it's actually hindering conflicts from getting solved when players are expected to shut the hell up or mute each other. There is even this notion in the game that developed over time, that just disagreeing with somebody is "toxic". I think this is extremely unhealthy... I mean literally unhealthy on an emotional level and also extremely unreasonable.

The perceived player frustration when I look at the boards has risen a lot and very often I think it's unwarranted based on the discussed topic, but then again there has to be a source somewhere.

What I also find interesting is that players indirectly report themselves, because we have this toxic report calling culture, where basically everyone has the potential to be toxic to some extent and they end up reporting each other. Afaik the instant punishment system also learns based on what players consider toxic i.e. what they report. So there is this ironic aspect that the players slowly expel themselves from the game, by setting the bar for banning people lower and lower.

Who the hell had this idea that the players could all become morally superior white knights who never say anything that could offend another person? To me this is delusional... unrealistic AND the exact opposite happened. They are either at each others throats by other means such as ruining games, or at Riots throat.

So yea, player frustration is a huge factor here and I think restricting chat actually increases frustration as opposed to helping reduce it for a player who genuinely cares about the game. I also think that most players would actually care about the game but they are often associated with people that don't, because it's part of the blame games, and then the real stereotype trolls, they are a really small minority who get more praise than they deserve in terms of their contribution to the problem.

And if you think I am wrong answer this:

How do you feel if you want to tell or ask a team mate something and you get told that you are toxic or muted/reported for doing so? This includes but is not limited to critique, advice and questions about decisions/plays.

Did this never happen to you?

I've recently seen even imaqtpie say that he is AFRAID to use the chat, I think it was on Beyond the Rift but I don't remember the episode.

This isn't healthy....

9 Comments

Subject 59/6/2018, 3:06:01 AM3 votes

I've been playing this game for 5+ years, absolutely no bans or chat restrictions; pretty much a completely clean slate.

<Make an adult joke <Suspended for 14 days

I see no reason to support a company that is a hypocrite and a Joke Police. I refuse to participate with the community while in game, it's either straight /muteall or I bait the person I don't like into getting suspended for 'harassing me.' So far I've got 5 people suspended, not sure if permanent or temporary. Maybe focus on the real problem, like, your employees or maybe the fact that griefing is extremely common.

ItzModsy9/6/2018, 2:59:51 AM2 votes

I mean it doesn't help that their employee can say things 100x worse than what will get you banned, and he's probably just gonna be promoted to a higher position by the end of the month as a reward.

Pandemic Punch9/6/2018, 8:30:07 AM2 votes

There is a mute button for a reason. The shouldn't ban people for naughty things you type in chat. Instead, put all of their time and effort into banning people who lose games on purpose. I can get away with that very easily if I don't like someone.

Guzergus9/6/2018, 6:37:53 PM1 votes

I agree. People usually complain about dota community, though in my experience it's much better. You may have degenerates who trashtalk or scream in voice chat, but more often than not they're genuinely trying to win and are just tilted and emotional.

In league, however, the community seems to be much more passive-aggressive, toxic and unpleasant to play with. If the guy is rude but tries to win, I'm fine with it.

Paroe9/6/2018, 6:54:25 PM1 votes

What... Do you guys expect? The system was DEVELOPED by a toxic person to PROTECT toxic people, as per riots culture where insulting serious fans is celebrated.

The tribunal wasnt removed because riot couldnt afford it, it was removed because it was a fair system that punished those who needed to be punished. The system we have now is an unfair system that doesnt generally punish those who need to be punished.

Sugarfree219/9/2018, 11:48:39 AM1 votes

Oh , now I finally understand why there are games where I feel lonely as fk, just basically talking to myself. I've been playing this game for about 2 years now, the first year and a half I played only aram, cuz I was afraid as hell to play normals and get flamed for a bad play/ missed skill or stuff like that. Then I discovered that there still are good people that aren't acting like they are goddamn mental, and you can get along with them, I've even seen people apologizing after having a melt down in chat.

The thing is,especially since I main as a support, so if I get a rather bad adc, or just a bad game, it's gonna be flame on till the end of the game. I honestly think that you should be punished for what you say in game, no one likes to be cursed at or w/e . But the report reasons should be different, there were a lot of times when I wanted to report someone, but it didn't actually fit, so I just gave up. And they should stop acting like snow flakes when it comes to racial /homophobic stuff, like most of them are just jokes, at some point I had a game where some guy was called a fa**ot, and my friend asked "are you a fa* ? " (fa* in our language is the name of a god damn tree, it was obviously a joke) and he got banned for a week. I'm not ok with people calling other people idiots or retards or stuff like that, but then again, if it's a rare occurrence you could let it pass ( you do need to vent indeed) , they could build a system where if someone gets reported for the same thing like 50 times, ok then you ban/restrict him. Otherwise they should be more attentive for people who go afk, or just straight up refuse to play with the team cuz they got butt-hurt, there should be an option for refusing to cooperate.