Maw vs. Zhonya's

AShortJoke·1/11/2018, 11:08:08 PM·3 votes·449 views

Maw is the go-to defensive items for AD champions when facing AP, and Zhonya's is the go-to defensive item for AP champions against AD/assassins. I understand that AD champions need a little extra because they are melee for the most part and they need to be able to get on their AP mage targets, but in my opinion the difference in power level between Maw and Zhonya's is much too high. In lane, lets say for example a Zed and a Brand are going at it. The Brand is essentially forced to rush a Seeker's, but the Zed can go either Serrated Dirk or Hexdrinker, both of which are much more powerful options than the Seeker's. Lethality cuts through armor better than magic pen cuts through MR in the early game and hexdrinker essentially guarantees that the AD champion wins the 1 v 1, unless his opponent is ungodly fed, whereas Seekers just gives you a better chance. Also, lets say the Zed builds a serrated dirk, then goes into a full maw, then finishes duskblade afterwards. He sacrifices little to no damage during this process while gaining incredible amounts of durability, whereas if the Brand goes Lost Chapter into Zhonya's into Nomicon, 1. he's likely to die before he gets enough armor 2. seeker's doesn't provide nearly as much durability as hexdrinker, and 3. he sacrifices a siginificant amount of early damage. It just seems to me that in the case of Maw and Zhonya's, the power level disproportionally favors AD champions. I am aware that AD champions do need an advantage in this area, but whether or not they need this much of an advantage, I seriously doubt.

6 Comments

Eedat1/11/2018, 11:57:25 PM2 votes

the difference in power level between Maw and Zhonya's is much too high

Yeah Maw is so good that 90% of the time you never finish it until you run out of inventory spots. Obviously greater than Zhonyas

In lane, lets say for example a Zed and a Brand are going at it.

This isnt an "example". It's literally the reason you made this post. You got shit on by a P3 Zed and instead of trying to figure out what you could have done better and improving, you decided to just blame something else

Lethality cuts through armor better than magic pen cuts through MR in the early game

This is insanely wrong. Lethality is gated by level. Magic pen is not. I cant fathom how you figured Lethality is better early game when it is literally gated by level. You get as much Lethality from a completed item as you do Mpen from sorc boots. You can l stack 32 flat magic pen for 2600g while a full lethality item costs more and only give 18. Plus that 18 is gated by level, again.

hexdrinker essentially guarantees that the AD champion wins the 1 v 1

This is just complete bullshit.

Also, lets say the Zed builds a serrated dirk, then goes into a full maw, then finishes duskblade afterwards. He sacrifices little to no damage during this process while gaining incredible amounts of durability, whereas if the Brand goes Lost Chapter into Zhonya's into Nomicon

Again, this isnt some "hypothetical". You're just describing exactly what happened last game. Tell me. How exactly is building MR "not sacrificing damage"? How exactly does building Maw second item not sacrifice damage over building ghostblade second? Go on, I'll wait. How about next time dont give Zed first blood at 3 minutes yeah?

Vanëssa1/11/2018, 11:13:35 PM1 votes

True. I usually am able to kill Zed 2 or 3 times. He buys hexdrinker and I get destroyed.

Crystalysk1/11/2018, 11:25:57 PM1 votes

Hexdrinker is better by far (at least early and mid game), there is no way an ad gets oneshotted by any ap and in an all in situation the ad even if he has all spells on CD he can still autoattack for a good amount of damage, meanwhile an ap once he has all his spells on CD won't be able to do anything.

Remove Jungle1/11/2018, 11:27:22 PM1 votes

well, i remember zhonyas use to give 120 AP no cooldown. riot nerfed this because the item was bought even if you didn't need the active. riot wanted to change that so zhonyas would become situational.

Cocho1/12/2018, 12:46:12 AM1 votes

I just have two things to say.

Zed can go either Serrated Dirk or Hexdrinker, both of which are much more powerful options than the Seeker's

6/7 armor pen in the early game vs 30 + 15 armor, is god awful. Ask any zed, seekers is fantastic vs him lol.

I think hexdrinker and seekers are comparable since they are early game laning items/ But maw and zhonya, not so much. I play kat and she can make both of these items (lol). Seekers awards living and playing passive, while hexdrinker awards all-ins. You can still get poked and the passive will pop, becoming nothing.

The reason why I'd upgrade to zhonyas is different than why I'd upgrade to maw. You just can't be dove period with zhonya, and you can play more aggressively and dodge shit with it. The active literally changes your play-style. Going from seekers to zhonya, does not give you more armor. It's literally for the active.

Maw? I'm tankier and do more damage. I'd build it if they got alot of AP (or fed AP).

Ups and downs to both. All really good. I wouldn't want an AP version of MAW if I was brand vs zed xd. I'd want zhonyas.