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So as support can i have cs? Or are these adc reports justified? Am i playing wrong?

Dllesh·4/29/2016, 7:10:13 PM·3 votes·8,182 views

Just like title says... can i be reported for taking cs as a support? either on purpose or not....

Ive been told many many times now that ive been reported by adc's who get upset i honestly accidentally took a cs.... im tired of it and would like to know if i can in fact be reported for it?

Since teambuilder was taken away i am forced to play "off meta" support picks (teemo, hemi, sona) in normal games, and people are not vry nice about it... im always considered a troll now no matter what, if we do badly its my fault, and im pretty sure they try to do badly to make it seem like its my fault half the time :P (kinda jking)

im not good, i dont pretend to be, but i do try until i get flamed... then my will for the game dies.... its not fun when they start to bad mouth me....

But again, on the other side of stuff, if i play farther back as defensive support I get told im not helping im doing it wrong, i need to get in there and engage....

game is fun right until i start to get flamed.... used to be fun all the time i swear it was.... i am not sure what changed, but something did... and i always say to stop playing when its not fun anymore... but i do think the game is still fun... just not fun when flamed.... weird situation....

i guess /end rant

p.s. btw i have a thick skin, ive experienced real life, if you have some constructive criticism feel free to share it, even if its rough as long as u are trying to be helpful i appreciate it, just be sure to follow the rules so u dont get in trouble pls

52 Comments

No flash no life4/29/2016, 7:15:29 PM6 votes

There's no rule saying support cannot take cs/kills and has to act like a support (or every support without sightstone and sweeper are bannable going by that logic). There's no rule saying the team can't take 5 smites and hard push mid. There's no rule saying junglar can't farm camps and watch the team 4v5.

As long as you're playing the game without intentionally making your team lose, you can play however you want - something that trolls tend to abuse, on a side note. Obviously, my examples are frowned upon, but they're not considered bannable offense.

Slythion4/29/2016, 7:32:15 PM6 votes

I mean like,

From your perspective, you want to go off-meta champions (and no, not "forced" as you stated. There are several easy supports that you can buy) which is ok. You can't really blame your team for being a tad upset about it, because by picking these off-meta champions you are hurting every member of you team's chances to win, which is what the other 4 queued up to do.

Although,

When you take cs from the adc, while it's not against the rules technically, you are starving your team's most reliable damage source for selfish gain. Again, it's not the rules but it is a dumb thing to do to your teammates.

If you are a defensive support or an engage support ( Braum Leona Alistar Nautilus etc) and are in the backlines, you are once again hurting your team. It's not necessarily against the rules to be bad, but to intentionally make poor decisions/actions could be classified as "assisting the enemy team".

In all, your playstyle isn't completely reportable, but it definately saps the fun from your teammates for your own enjoyment. It's a poor playstyle that maybe you aren't even intentionally doing, but I urge you to consider your teammates when you take teemo support, which is close to useless.

The game has a meta because it's proven to be the most efficient to win. It may be subject to change, but somethings are guaranteed. You hurt the goal to win (which is directly correlated to fun for the team) when you take you adc's gold, pick unhelpful supports, and don't fulfill your role in teamfights.

alfavhunter4/29/2016, 7:55:01 PM3 votes

As someone who occasionally takes shaco support

And as a support main

There are a few "unspoken" rules to supporting

If the adc is there and you are very clearly taking CS, that is an issue

If it's a spell that you tried to use on enemy champion and it took a CS its "ok" but they may still get mad

Sight stone isn't a "must" but vision wins games and it's typically a good idea to get one even if it's not your first item (though usually it should be first item after gold income item

GaleWinUnleashed5/1/2016, 2:54:24 AM3 votes

They can report you for it all they like, but it's not punishable. Apologize if you feel it's necessary (read: it might improve their attitude), but you're not doing anything inherently wrong.

Athenes Lulu4/29/2016, 7:35:45 PM3 votes

Bottom line: git gud.

To answer your title, it's not really a "rule" that supports are not supposed to take CS, it's just a way to optimize gold gains. Sharing experience already puts 2 teammates slightly behind, sharing gold would slow down the gold gains of 2 teammates by half. Meaning, if it already takes a long time for an ADC to reach full build (I mean AD items are expensive), cutting down that gold gain by half would make it worse, because his lane partner is taking half of such farm. So, in the end, someone has to not farm, and that is the support, especially when your ADC is not someone you know. Though if you want actual advice, beginner tip: don't touch the minion wave unless you have Relic Shield charges, usually the ADC wants to control it on his own.

You will not get in trouble for playing badly (hell, I look like I'm intentionally feeding when I'm top though that's because I'm a horrible support main), but you will if you are purposely making people lose and being an asshole about it. In the end, you're just playing a game, but think compromise. If your teammates aren't ok with a strange strat/pick, don't be surprised if they get angry and/or shoot reports.

P.S. Sona is not an "off meta" pick, sheep are just being sheep. She's stupidly good when paired with the right teammates.

Siyther4/29/2016, 9:16:24 PM2 votes

sounds like your adc are idiots taking a cs or 2 is no big deal the only problem is when supports are trying to take it and u not only have to fight the enemy laners but your suppport for cs. Some off meta supports are good and it sounds like if your playing defensivly that your adc are too aggresive and you should prob try to get a duo with a passive adc

The Deckowner4/29/2016, 7:37:50 PM2 votes

it's fine to take cs

GenghisEmo4/29/2016, 7:44:32 PM2 votes

It is Bad as in tactically.

But not against rules. No rule exist.

But FotM can secure cannon minions if adc can barely cs. So think of tactical exceptions. If adc good, dont secure cannon minion.

Ur team playing Aram all mid... manade sidelanes is GOOD as supp. ADC at base, minions at tower going to waste, get em. Then freeze wave w/o killing em for ADC to get the gold and xp.

Nekusen5/1/2016, 2:59:02 AM2 votes

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Just like title says... can i be reported for taking cs as a support? either on purpose or not....

you can't be reported for that, unless you are purposely trolling and keep doing it when asked to stop, but you really shouldn't do it, unless, of course you built item 3302 or cs only if your ADC is away.

if you are a support, you should never build item 1056

support is more than just "being bot and not being the adc", it's also your role in the team, you help with utility and such. not to take kills, but help your team get fed.

thats exactly why support items give you gold item 3301 item 3303 item 3302 , because you won't be getting gold from CS.

In short: don't do it, it's rude.

DREADN0UGHT4/29/2016, 7:48:46 PM2 votes

Its not a rule. Just a guideline. The support role is usually not about taking the farm.

If you play heimerdinger support, your turrets would take farm, and that would iritate me to the highest point.

Unless you are playing with Relic shield, I suggest you keep your hands off your Adc's farm.

Hullabaloo9074/29/2016, 8:00:00 PM2 votes

If your taking care when the ADC is in Lane, you arnt really playing support, your just another person in that Lane. Same thing goes for not building a sightstone item

X1X4/9/2018, 3:03:55 AM1 votes

yes you can take cs support role is part of bot lane bot lane cs belongs to both adc and support lol once lane phase is over cs is fair game for all roles first comes first serve anyone who says otherwise are just following a unwritten rule that isn't really a rule.

FurretHasAGlock4/29/2016, 7:51:11 PM1 votes

The reason, as stated by others, is to optimize gold gain. The reason you don't CS is because, almost all supports get a support item item 3303 item 3301 item 3302 All of these items both give a gold giving passive, and another stat. This is because supports, do not CS, so they get this for gold. The passives of ancient coin and spellthief's edge basically say, don't cs. Relic shield, feel free to take one or two of them, but not many. Only use it when relic shield is up

MrLlamaWaffle4/29/2016, 8:01:01 PM1 votes

I'm a support main since closed beta and taking CS is totally justified in some situations.

If you're in low to mid elo it's smart to play supports such as Annie Zyra Velkoz Zilean Morgana Nautilus Karma Why? Because these champions have wave clear and in low to mid elo there's a very good chance your adc is just going to suck and that slack has to be picked up somewhere, so with these champs you have the ability to farm and make plays, and in some cases just outright carry. These picks are also smart in low to mid elo because teams are usually oblivious to their maps. Ever been in a situation where you're playing Braum or Janna and trying to push a wave off a tower to save it because your team is off doing god knows what?

When you get into platinum +, players typically have enough game knowledge to the point where you don't have play the above supports. The trinity right now in higher elos is Taric Soraka Janna . They are what I call a "pure support" support. When you're in higher elos, never take CS from your carry because the likelihood of you carrying is drastically lower.

In short, in low to mid elos play supports that do well with some farm. In Plat 2-3+ play supports such as Bard Alistar Braum Janna Thresh Soraka Trundle Taric At this elo, you'll get at least a decent adc most of the time who you won't want to take CS from.

If you insist on playing " off meta" picks, do your team a favor, and at least get a sightstone.

Deathy4/29/2016, 8:03:00 PM1 votes

depending the support you are playing pick one of the 2.

item 3301 - good for 4 gold and if you have the master for 1 coin when minion die near you, and the bandit perk let you get gold when u hit the oppent and use that free hp to go up and poke, or damage them quickly people like Blitzcrank Leona work well with this combo plus the mana regen let them have more power to dive/push them back so ur adc can just last hit (and not just AA minion to death to push)

While item 3302 is good for being passive laning, and not hittin the other person as much, also you can then kill minion while the gold is shared with you and the person in lane with you I see it more idealy on champions like Alistar Taric as they aren't ment to dive poke and sustain as much damage without putting the adc in bad area

I don't bother with item 3303 as killing minion has it thing go on cooldown, and you just stuck spam damaging champions while burning mana like crazy but is good for champion like Soraka Nami

But CS become free game after laning phase is done so having an item 3060 minion get you gold in lane whileit pushing, and item 3512 are great and give your team power to siege towers better.

like I like getting item 3068 on my Alistar Leona as it work wlel with their kits, and then you can put zz and banner at the lane no1 stayin much at so they minion don't build up and push to ur tower.

but I digress, CS minion is fine, even if an ADC complain it not that bad, when I play ADC i don't even care if they take an minion or 2 but don't be taking the whole wave during laning phase, and if you want you can take gromp/golems also if you playin an tanky support, but if your an squshie support, just get gold coin and have bandit skill and just go to the big waves even if you getting yell at and ping like crazy, you need gold also , and if your behind levels , you have just as much right to the wave as the person who 2-4 level ahead of you.

Miku Lv994/29/2016, 10:24:14 PM1 votes

You can get any cs your adc is likely going to miss. You can also get some cs accidentally in trying to help your adc farm under the tower, or in trying to push the lane to their tower as fast as possible, or in trying to level up a little sooner. In my world you can even take that extra 1 cs you need to buy the item you want right before you back, although a lot of the time your adc will frown upon you for doing this.

In any case, the support can get some cs. It happens and though often frowned upon, is still not a huge deal or something that anyone should get banned for.

Angry Monster5/1/2016, 3:35:34 AM1 votes

My view is from a draft player perspective (NOT BLIND)

So are you taking the CS accidentally or intentionally and why you are taking it intentionally matters

If the ADC is in lane and you do not have face of the mountain and odds are you should not be taking any CS intentionally. Exceptions

a creep is going to die and the ADC is not going to kill it
your like an Annie champ and q refunds on minion kill. (to build stun cheaply) The point of these exceptions are that you are not doing it to just to take away from the bot laner.

Accidental taking some of the CS is not a problem. Taking some CS when the the bot lane role died or backed is also fine.

Its not ok to take Gold away from the bot lane position to troll them. People need to understand that you are taking the Support role given to you by the system. There are certain behaviors expected of you.

Most people probably can get behind my definition of support. Low CS champ that helps with vision control.

If you are getting 75+ CS a game as a support, i would report you. You getting 20 or below i would not even question it.

It is an argument that if a Support is having high CS numbers they are doing 2 things.

Trolling a person harassment threw actions or trying to force their way into another persons lane assignment.
AFK farming as a support

both of these actions if argued correctly could be punished. Its all about how interprets the things you are doing in the game.

You will know if you are trolling or not though. Just ask your self would a 3rd person looking at this game see you helping the team or trolling the team.

dim2a1/20/2017, 2:30:06 PM1 votes

As support you should not be on purpose taking cs that adc can get during laning phase, that is core of support role. If you accidentally take some while poking, that is fine.

warpenguin5551/20/2017, 2:39:01 PM1 votes

Supports can take CS if there is nobody else there to take it or if you and ADC want to push the wave in quickly. Why let the gold go to waste? Also it's always ok to steal camps from the enemy jungle, just make sure you know when it's a good time to do so and when it's not

Oogie Boøgie4/1/2018, 11:04:39 PM1 votes

'5) do not report a summoner for not sticking to the metagame' https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

only report for toxic language, afk and intentionnally feeding (not just a bad game), trust me you can even go steal mid or jungle in rank :) as long u dont feed or afk or toxic speech :) have fun! if there is someone who knows reports it's me. listen to me :) (you can get S as support if u mute the adc) /mute all and /muteping all are my two best friends in this game