Regarding Lee, "The Most OP Champ for 4 Seasons"

Alpharite·12/10/2014, 11:16:33 PM·6 votes·688 views

This forum is so blind in its rage towards Lee that it can see nothing else when the topic is brought up.

Lee is NOT broken, nor is he overpowered, especially in soloQ. While his kit may be overloaded, he requires high mechanical knowledge and skill, along with players who know how to snowball off of his early ganks (he falls off like a bitch lategame).

Because all of these conditions are met in LCS/Pro Play, Lee is commonly perceived as being overpowered. Perhaps, in the hands of these extremely skilled players, he is broken. But, in the hands of most SoloQ'rs, there is nothing that makes Lee stand out.

If Lee is nerfed because of the fact that he is so highly contested in Pro Play, then we may as well forget balancing on the 99% and instead focus on just the 1%, and delete half the champions in the game (only 61 champs were picked/banned at worlds out of the then 120, so the rest are useless, right?).

And although the community is vehemently opposed to winrates as a measure of a champion's strength, I'd just like to point out that Lee has a 48% winrate in DIAMOND+, where I think we can agree players are very skilled. This is decidedly average, and is nowhere near what Warwick has recently achieved (and I think we can agree, WW is an example of a stupidly broken champion in patch 4.20).

Additionally, even in Pro Play, Lee still only had a winrate of 55% at worlds. Definitely high, but still nowhere near, for example, Rengar (85%). So do we need to nerf Rengar AGAIN?

Anyway, it's unlikely anyone will see this post due to the shitstorm of downvotes that is sure to follow any reasonable statement saying anything even treading on "defending the most broken champ in the game".

14 Comments

Hayaishi12/10/2014, 11:18:49 PM3 votes

People just like watching his kit and complain without looking at the bigger picture.

Also it's more of a case of "Why is my champion being nerfed and lee isn't" "Why he and not me?"

Meep Man12/10/2014, 11:29:34 PM2 votes

I think people just wish so much wasn't stapled on him.

Epilogue of Life12/10/2014, 11:31:54 PM2 votes

Just the damage on that ult is so random...0 counterplay, 0 skill to get off, point and click nuke+cc...and there were a lot of champs who didn't really need nerfs that got nerfed because people bitch.

Anonagon12/10/2014, 11:41:16 PM2 votes

Believe it or not, some of actually care about competitive balance. And in competitive, its no lie - Lee has been the most dominant jungler 4 seasons in a row. In all honesty its just... tiring to see him.

SmokingPuffin12/10/2014, 11:35:15 PM1 votes

Additionally, even in Pro Play, Lee still only had a winrate of 55% at worlds. Definitely high, but still nowhere near, for example, Rengar (85%). So do we need to nerf Rengar AGAIN?

Probably not. The story with Rengar is that Korean teams like him and other teams don't. Korean teams win games against non-Korean teams at a very high rate, so Rengar gets a very high win rate as a result.

Vegas Dad12/11/2014, 2:22:29 AM1 votes

indeed lee picked in jungle everytime by pros for 4 years straight because he is just fair and balanced.

WW strong in a broken temp jungle set up = gut what was already a failing useless champ.

viva la lee sin. China OP.