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why a is there an elo hell? my thoughts and a solution

EWBS Mithilesh·6/6/2016, 9:31:34 AM·2 votes·829 views

hello and all that bulshitt

elo hell exists and we all know it right? but why does this happen?

let me take you back to lvl 1 when you first started league. you probs went to the tutorial. it told you al the obvious things: kill the guy, take the tower, hit the nexus. but does the tutorial ever tell you about: the importance of last hitting minions prioritizing objectives sustaining in lane prioritizing objectives how to play when wining/losing trades

you learned those things when you got serious about the game.

so why do i encounter people with 50 cs at 10 minutes?

what im getting to is that elo hell exists because people just simply dont understand the game within bronze. i cant count how many games have been thrown because my team wants to do elder drag instead of baron. enemy team kills us at drag, steals drag, possibly aces, and ends.

bronze wouldnt be as much as a torment if level 10 players were more educated on the game. and instead of learning these things after youve rushed into ranked and wasted your placement matches, players would know them and have been practicing them.

maybe change the tutorial to actually educate players on whats most important? im sure there is more than one way to educate low level players.

EDIT: this is what im talking about though. chek out out my adc and sup, feeding and 53 cs at 15 minutes http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2208715364/227942102?tab=overview

18 Comments

B00B006/6/2016, 12:31:26 PM3 votes

elder dragon is better than baron if you have fire, or a mixture of fire, mountain, fire, etc as it gives you more combat stats and true damage to turrets, it burns faster than the baron, if you need to choose you need to look at how many and what dragon your have, does the enemy have none? let them waste there time go 4 to baron and 1 to get an inhib while they basically give you the win. (in an ideal world)

as for ELO hell, it doesn't inherently exist, its a mindset and a way to latch onto and have something to blame for said person not advancing and is referred to in every single ELO.

the best measure for this is yes, ''pro'' and/or challenger players have both solo carried themselves to their ELO from B5 and carried a person with them before to prove there standpoint on it being non-existent and nothing more than a myth.

Nightblue3 when ranked 5v5's where still around last season took a bunch of b5/b4 players and educated them about the game and thought them how to ''win'' they ended up carrying themselves in soloq to high-silver, one of them reached platinum with continued tuition via replays sent to Nightblue3 he did this for two reasons, first was to play and give something back to his subscribers and viewers the second was to prove ELO hell was bullshit. i have no idea where that 5v5 team ended up as a unit though.

Right now i've said my piece on ELO hell i will try to help you out;

everything you have listed is true, and this does happen, often, VERY often so the best role to carry yourself out is jungle or mid. Why? because you can roam and snowball a lane, or 3 also if you see a minion wave middle of the lane and your lane is gone, push that shit to the tower, ignore their numerous ''leave my CS alone'' pings as what they don't realise is your doing two things;

  1. chipping away at their turret
  2. denying the enemy lane their CS.

you see a 4v5 at drake? your mid? forget it your not getting their, push and grab a tower this will put your team level or even ahead, get all those T1's down.

what drake is worth fighting for? NOT CLOUD. if you see the enemy team going for the CLOUD drake, get a TURRET in reply or possible 2.

fire? yes, contest it, mountain, water yes all good but learn what they do and always if your too far away never recall just to contest get another turret or even push two lanes, take the enemy jungle.

out rotate, you see 5 of them mid? are you/champion capable of a split push? can your team hold? if yes push another lane, draw them to you don't recall [ping like crazy for your team to grab X objective.

be greedy, take everything you can, seriously rely on yourself, now if you have 300 odd CS and are ahead or near/have full build make sure you leave some for your team so they can hopefully continue to have gold funnelled to them.

hope it helped a little, ill check out your lolking though and stats see if theres anything specific.

VvVVvV6/6/2016, 9:42:08 AM2 votes

the tutorial teaches you the basics...those things in your list are not the basics. The tutorial is not boot camp...its not meant to have you war ready once you come out of it. Just like basic training in the army.......you go through it but that doesnt mean you are ready to go to war (though back in the Bush era thats what pretty much happened but thats another story)

yeah the tutorial shouldnt be telling you to build a thornmail on Ashe but seriously...sustaining in lane? You really think that should be part of the totorial?

Its not a elo hell its just that there are good players and there are bad players and EVERYONE makes mistakes.

You mentioned choosing elder over baron....thats not a elo thing thats just mistakes.

For example. I see alot of people get a ace and ping baron.....but i figure...hell the other team is dead...why not push a lane and get a tower? You can get baron on the way back while the other team is clearing minions out of their base.

The tutorial is to teach the basics.....the games you play between level 1 and 30 is where you learn the other stuff you mention.

SrbLud6/6/2016, 9:48:40 AM2 votes

Elo hell exists in every rank but it's not as bad as some people think it is. Esentially it's the same issue with any game with a ranking system. It's not Riots fault. It's the constantly changing competetive ladder.

rtbf221479706/6/2016, 10:55:50 AM1 votes

I agree with the OP that there needs to be more education for lower elo but not via a cheesy tutorial. Post game stats need to be improved to exemplify what it takes to win/carry in that particular skill bracket and compare your results. What those metrics are idk cuz I'm a bronzie :P

spombjop6/6/2016, 9:38:21 AM1 votes

elo hell exist, it's proven mathematically. why it happens? because riot sucks

Ahmi6/6/2016, 1:23:02 PM1 votes

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so why do i encounter people with 50 cs at 10 minutes?

50 cs is reasonable at 10 minutes if you are in a bad matchup or you're being pressured really hard. That's not that bad.

And no, elo hell doesn't exist. Why do you think elo boosting exists? Any diamond player can hop on your bronze 5 account and get it to gold in a couple days.

BeeCuz6/6/2016, 10:16:29 AM1 votes

What does a proper ELO look like?

Match history displays a pattern of wins and losses, and one feature of such an arrangement is winning and losing streaks. Streaks have a well-defined expectation of both how many there should be in any group and the distribution of lengths of those streaks.

For example the 41 ranked games I tested should have had 27 (+/- 7) streaks of wins and losses in it and actually contained 20 streaks, indicating long runs of wins/losses.

Shonjl6/6/2016, 10:41:22 AM1 votes

Then you have high Elo people that stream that downright refuse to believe that Elo Hell exist, like HuzzyGames. Even though everytime they play a smurf, they are put into Gold so they never deal with Bronze.

I can probably say if they were to start playing the game on a Bronze V account, they would have a hard time if not impossible time getting out of Bronze, but its easier to just say it doesn't exist when you always start in Gold which isn't the gutter like Bronze is.