What phase is draven ever weak?

Shablagoo·7/14/2017, 6:46:31 PM·59 votes·6,263 views

He is really strong early against almost all adc's and never falls off because he is an adc. Like can he have a clear weak phase, I always here ppl talking about yasuo and Fiora but Draven is literally the exact same he never falls off and is strong at every phase.

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Escheton7/14/2017, 6:50:49 PM156 votes

Banphase.

AlienPrimate7/14/2017, 6:54:39 PM22 votes

He is weak in teamfights when he isn't overly fed because it is difficult for him to stay safe while catching his axes in a 5v5. His win rate goes from 61% at 15 minutes to 48% at 40 minutes.

Inquisitor Kane7/14/2017, 6:54:30 PM22 votes

If he doesn't get fed, he is weak mid and late.

Draven needs 2 things:

  1. Get tons of stacks and then proc his passive
  2. Get items

If you kill him and make him lose stacks you render his passive useless and much harder to achieve point 2.

And Draven without items is very weak because his damage is very dependable on itemisation (that is why he is so often out of META because he needs specific, expensive items to be good, to prosper).

So basically - you fed him and he is invincible early to late. You do not feed him, then kill him few times to delete his passive stacks.. and he is useless from mid to late.

Hope this helps :-)

Bârd7/14/2017, 11:47:18 PM9 votes

He DOES fall off (and hard), but only if you don't feed him.

You know what Draven has? He has high, but unreliable, auto attack DPS. That's it.

Stand Aside is a pretty mediocre utility spell, and Whirling Death (while not horrile) is still the worst global ult in the game.

He's got no poke, mediocre range, shitty CC, and low mobility. In an even fight, Draven will usually come on top, yes, but he can't make you fight him unless you fuck up and get hooked.

Look at what Draven has come late game.

His passive provides him with absolutely no advantage when everybody has their full build.

His Q still lets him double dip into bonus AD, but it's so unsafe to use it in a teamfight that it makes the already vulnerable Draven into an easy target.

His W is still a good steroid, but it relies on catching those Axes, which is dangerous late game.

His E is only useful for interrupting some mobility spells.

His R still sucks, even more so in the late game.

Carteeeer7/14/2017, 7:28:29 PM3 votes

level 1 hes really weak so if u have an aggressive support go for level 1 engage, try to trade with him after he throws his axes and before he catches it

if the stuff above isnt possible just try ur hardest not to feed, if u do feed him, or if ur botlane feeds him then just ff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be5LZbdCZY0&t=344s

Succeedsawce7/15/2017, 2:53:07 AM2 votes

draven and weak used in the same sentence ..

something isn't right here .. better buff him or DD to be sure

GGLineaR7/14/2017, 11:17:57 PM2 votes

He's not.

Ariel the Cruel7/14/2017, 9:30:27 PM2 votes

Alistar The Fiddlesticks CC Galio phase Ivern of Leona every Morgana fight.

Remember: Draven has no steroids outside axe stacks. Deny those, and his damage (as an ADC) becomes below average. His real strength is the ability to snowball incredibly hard off the passive.

Requiemsfire7/15/2017, 2:56:47 AM2 votes

Draven is somewhat mediocre in team fights where if he has very little safety against people who can jump onto him, if he drops his axes then he ends up effectively useless throughout team fights until he gets another spinning axe up.

Kazukes7/15/2017, 5:35:38 PM1 votes

He's weak in the ban phase where someone with a brain should have banned him.

O Fallen Scholar7/15/2017, 9:50:01 PM1 votes

item 3075 item 3033

Twelvefooterr7/16/2017, 12:39:27 AM1 votes

early lane if you can deny him CS

Vallalan7/16/2017, 1:53:05 AM1 votes

he falls of the longer the game goes on because his team fight is telegraphed. if you know exactly where an adc is going to move to maintain his dps (catch axes) then you can cc that spot and either force him to drop massive dps (like he does half of his damage without axes) or catch him out.

as a result dravens have to know ahead of time what is the highest probability safe place to move after auto attacking.

so good dravens can navigate a team fight, but its still risky. he is still hard to play even by good dravens. he just isn't as good as other adcs because of that. his damage isn't safe outside of lane.

he's too massive of a lane bully but he does fall off comparitively. not damage wise, but effectiveness wise he does.

Shablagoo7/14/2017, 9:52:43 PM1 votes

Are their specific adc's that beat him early like?

YambrinZ7/15/2017, 7:26:24 AM1 votes

His weakness is he telegraphs where he will be moving with his axes.

ZerglingOne7/15/2017, 9:40:50 AM1 votes

He has little utility, poor mobility, and no wave clear. He telegraphs his position, and must be in those places at specific times to do maximum DPS.

This makes him abnormally susceptible to things that can exploit or change his position against his will.

That technically makes him weak late game, but he does so much damage to anything that could possibly kill him, he stands a damn good chance of killing them too because ADC.

A few things could go toward balancing him fairly easily.

Spinning axes could instead do their damage over time...something like 4 seconds (with stacking). This makes them not work with normal life steal, and at 33% with item 3812. It also makes him a rightful part of the blood brothers again. It also prevents what would be overkill damage from his Q going towards his HP pool.

Make E a 99% slow for 1 second instead of what it currently is. This would do 2 things for him. It would take away his AoE hard CC, but it would also take away the anti-synergy with his ultimate, making it a natural followup to the ability.

Finally get rid of his snowbally passive and give him something like "Gains 2/4/6 AD for 6 (or something) seconds after catching a spinning axe, stacks have individual timers and fall off 1 by 1. Dropping an axe automatically causes the oldest stack to fall off immediately."

warmcorntortilla7/15/2017, 1:14:31 PM1 votes

Well... he does fall off late game if you have a good assassin/diver and a bit of coordination. He doesn't have any aa-range buff or any way of doing damage from a distance, no AOE damage (besides his ulti) and if he gets cc-d even a little, it makes it very hard for him to catch axes, and if he can't keep axes up, he doesn't do any damage.

So, in theory, if you have a Cait, Trist, Kog, or Twitch that can make it through his early and mid game, they can simply outrange him, and probably outdamage him in teamfights, as well. I do think he's overpowered atm, but I strongly believe it's mostly because of supports being able to perma-heal/shield/peel for ADCs atm, because support itemization, especially late game, is ridiculously good. EVERY adc feels oppressive and unable to be played against late game, because assassins and divers can't kill them, because supports are too good at keeping adcs alive.

I have never felt more powerful than I have this season, standing behind my 6-item ADC, who doesn't even have to be mildly competent to 100-0 the entire enemy team in the time it takes to rotate through q-w-e-r.

tldr; it's a great time to be a support main!

Pluniverse7/15/2017, 2:27:30 PM1 votes

Leona Braum Phase :)

Wicked Hunter7/15/2017, 2:32:57 PM1 votes

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He is really strong early against almost all adc's and never falls off because he is an adc. Like can he have a clear weak phase, I always here ppl talking about yasuo and Fiora but Draven is literally the exact same he never falls off and is strong at every phase.

The moment u permaban him is his weak moment. Hang on that moment ;)

Joseraph7/15/2017, 3:46:28 PM1 votes

Early game is his most vital phase. Not getting killed by him is SO important here because once you set off his snowball, his passive and scaling on his Q means he's going to become an absolute monster. If you can deny him from popping off, or even kill him with your juggler, most ADs scale all over him.

Mid to Late attempt to 5v5 in a lane and launch damage or CC wherever his Axes are going to land. Bramble Vest, Exevutioners Calling, and Morellonomicon are important items if he has Death's Dance.

You can also 1-4 if one person on your can kill him, and most of their team 1v1. Warwick and Vi and are good at this if they ult through his knock aside, Fiora if she parries it, or Yasuo if he windwalls it. Others who might stand a chance are Irelia, J4, Jax, and Assassins if he isn't sporting a Phantom Dancer+ Death's Dance combo.

Make sure your squishes aren't near him if he has his Axe's up, especially if he's fed. Draven WILL two shot squishies.

TricolorStar7/15/2017, 3:54:10 PM1 votes

Don't touch him ever. Don't let him hit you, don't put yourself in a position for him to kill you, don't take any risks. Draven needs kills more than any other ADC. Without kills, he is denied passive gold and will fall off harder than all other carries. He requires at least 3 kills before 8 minutes to become a monster. Draven will get kills naturally due to his kit, but if you prolong his power spike you will out damage him mid and late.

Losing farm is better than letting Draven kill you. If he kills you, he gains a metric shit ton of gold and comes back with a finished item because of his passive. Whenever I start to starve a Draven, they start to get desperate and dive turret or run down mid in the hopes of getting just one kill so they can cash in their passive stacks.

Starve him.