Let's make it clear: If you deserve to go up in rank, you will*

Fed by Snu Snu··58 votes·2,670 views

*as long as you get the jungler that ganks in your team or are that jungler yourself

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needHymn17 votes

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Penns2 votes

Are you sure you will? Because I got placed in silver 5 or whatever this season and got to high plat with ~dia 4 mmr and 56% win rate. Then I got an unlucky streak before dia promos, dropped to plat 3 and now Im dicking around in plat 2-1 for like 100 games.

send help

Elikain13 votes

Riot doesn't prioritize people who payed for skins over people who didn't. Not sure what kind of an argument is that.

Glory ln Death3 votes

But skins = wins!

You know it's true because it rhymes!

Elikain1 votes

I agree with your argument completely. If you don't have the best skin for the champion you're playing, you're going to lose that game.

It's one of the fundamental laws of the Universe. Just like gravity.

SCALUWINA3 votes

I've paid maybe ~40$ in RP and i'm in P3 with 56 games and 61% win ratio so i guess Riot likes me :>

Skins Project2 votes

only $40?

FILTHY CASUAL!

GET OUT OF HERE!

SCALUWINA1 votes
Skins Project1 votes

FILTHY

CASUALLLLLLL!!!!!

Ahristocats11 votes

ah, i see

so i got this high every season because i was lucky to get a very good jungler in every year sounds about right

Fed by Snu Snu7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna X RubicK,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=as9nzux4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-15T11:56:05.714+0000)

ah, i see

so i got this high every season because i was lucky to get a very good jungler in every game sounds about right

Yes! Thanks for admitting it, eks dee!

Probably not, but I'm getting really tilted from hyper-agressive teenagers who go 0/3 within 5 minutes.

They used to be the exception and now they are the rule.

Ahristocats6 votes

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Probably not, but I'm getting really tilted from hyper-agressive teenagers who go 0/3 within 5 minutes.

i don't know how it's related to junglers ganking our lane and making us win

i DO KNOW that junglers hold the most important role because of riot, but that does not mean this will prevent you from climbing the rule of randomness makes it so you have as much bad jungler as good junglers in all your game, you're the one who makes the difference

Fed by Snu Snu2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna X RubicK,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=as9nzux4,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-15T12:07:38.614+0000)

i don't know how it's related to junglers ganking our lane and making us win

i DO KNOW that junglers hold the most important role because of riot, but that does not mean this will prevent you from climbing the rule of randomness makes it so you have as much bad jungler as good junglers in all your game, you're the one who makes the difference

Nothing prevents you from climbing, long term.

In the short term though, if I wasn't young I'd be one step before having a stroke.

And the rule of randomness should start being random again, because for over 20 games I have had like 2 proper junglers. And another 2 that get points for at least trying.

Especially those Amumus...it's always the Amumus...

I just want to play a team game again, not a roulette on how hard my bottom/mid will get stomped this time.

Penns20 votes

No its cause you abused Darius adc Kappa123

Raiyza9 votes

Most of my losses are due to either: A) Top lane is 0/6 by 12 minutes. B) Mid lane is 0/6 by 12 minutes C) Jungler has no sense of the map D) People don't understand what a team composition is

I make plenty of mistakes myself, but MOST of my losses are from these reasons. It's extremely tough to recover when the enemy syndra is 10/0, and if they have half a brain they will not be out of position for us to kill her.

skyskee0082 votes

You're not gonna climb if you're focused on win/losses, you need to play to improve and look to carry harder (if you care about climbing).

Also you have a self-serving bias. You think that when you did well in a game it's because you played well not because an enemy played poorly, whereas if your team mate feeds he's just bad.

Like you're a lot less likely to attribute your win SOLELY to a 1/10 enemy than you are to solely attribute a loss to a 1/10 team mate.

Raiyza1 votes

I do focus on my gameplay. I try to read the map as best I can. If I see an opportunity to push/take drag/herald/rtc, I go for it.

Its always possible to come back in games, I get that. I'm fully aware that my score isn't the only thing important, but if my teammates dont listen or know how to capitalize, which is extremely common in silver, then I cant carry.

And believe me I can tell the difference between a bad game and just plain inexperience. I get a ton more inexperience on my teams than I do bad games. That's the problem.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

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You're not gonna climb if you're focused on win/losses, you need to play to improve and look to carry harder (if you care about climbing).

Also you have a self-serving bias. You think that when you did well in a game it's because you played well not because an enemy played poorly, whereas if your team mate feeds he's just bad.

Like you're a lot less likely to attribute your win SOLELY to a 1/10 enemy than you are to solely attribute a loss to a 1/10 team mate.

OK, let's try carrying harder instead.

http://i.imgur.com/5TYtSAU.png

Still lost because my ADC didn't build IE.

Now what? What other excuse is there?

Oh by the way, this is why you ban Yasuo kids. Because it doesn't matter how hard you crush him, he only needs 2 items to destroy your carry who can't position for shit.

Disembark1 votes

Ashe is going a perfectly viable build. Its actually the most popular build on her right now. Maybe if you spent less time flaming her and didn't have 9 deaths and 200 cs at 39 min, you'd have a chance to win.

You can't possible blame your team mates when you

  1. Why do you have PD on Fiora. You'd do better with either a GA/Cleaver (phage passive and cleaver shred too good to give up, also need that tankiness for a melee carry)
  2. 9 deaths
  3. No hydra or sheen item. AKA no waveclear or burst AKA wasting fiora's strengths as a split pusher.

If you win lane you should look to close out the game quickly, and not get to a point where a single team fight decides the game. Ofc you'll get a 50/50 chance to win if you go for a 50/50 coinflip teamfight at the end.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

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Ashe is going a perfectly viable build. Its actually the most popular build on her right now. Maybe if you spent less time flaming her and didn't have 9 deaths and 200 cs at 39 min, you'd have a chance to win.

You can't possible blame your team mates when you

  1. Why do you have PD on Fiora. You'd do better with either a GA/Cleaver (phage passive and cleaver shred too good to give up, also need that tankiness for a melee carry)
  2. 9 deaths
  3. No hydra or sheen item. AKA no waveclear or burst AKA wasting fiora's strengths as a split pusher.

If you win lane you should look to close out the game quickly, and not get to a point where a single team fight decides the game. Ofc you'll get a 50/50 chance to win if you go for a 50/50 coinflip teamfight at the end.

Because we were getting forced fights. And someone had to front line.

Ashe did 0 dmg in fights with that build. I don't care about its viability, IT DIDN'T WORK.

Also, he got caught out 3 times and gave Free Barons and inhibitors. My deaths are exactly because me and Fizz, who were snowballed, had to fight 4v5s to stop the game from ending. There's a reason why he has 11 deaths.

I can't close games when my ADC gets caught out solo, he is literally the only one who can do tower damage without being initiated. Fuck off with your hypothetical 4v5s that are winnable and fuck off with your excusing of retards who can't itemize.

And I do not flame in game. But I will blame people in retrospect. And I sincerely wish for you to get in such a losing streak like I had and see how much of a saint you are.

Disembark1 votes

Ah the classic PD frontline (even though cleaver/GA would give you better stats to frontline).

You keep blaming the Ashe's build but what about your build? You blame Ashe's gameplay but what about your own? I don't care if I'm in a losing streak because I play for fun and don't care if my team mate is playing poorly, thats not my problem.

Akali Prime8 votes

heres what happens whenever i play ranked i play mid - top is bad (and jglr never ganks) i play top - mid is bad (jgler never ganks) i play support - i get my adc fed and we usually win the game cuz im an awesome support but i dont main that role. i play adc - jgler is bad and also never ganks i play jg - every single one of my lanes are doing bad all pinging me to gank them then i have to spend all laning phase camping my teams lanes and end up falling behind on cs and exp then later on in the game (if we didnt ff by then) my team bitches at me for not having a lot of cs [slayer-jinx-unamused]

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

yeah, i'm always behind on cs cause I gank so much. and since riot increased the respawn times of the camps....

Takazaki2 votes

{quoted}

yeah, i'm always behind on cs cause I gank so much. and since riot increased the respawn times of the camps....

this is why i play Yi first i farm my jungle then my own teams lanes then the enemy works 85% of them time :^)

Glory ln Death1 votes

Sounds like you need to main support, then. Come! Join us - and together we shall rule the bot lane!

Golden Tager X1 votes

Oh yeah and on the jungle one too, they are also shoving constantly so you cant even hope to gank.

ItsOrval1 votes

Heres how my games work:

Top: I main top Jayce, win lane 9/10 times. Get camped by enemy jungler, my jungler afk farms all game and dives under towers. My bot lane both go 0/7 in 15 minutes. Mid lane usually wins lane.

Mid: I second mid Jayce, usually lose lane because I hate how 1 ability legit does 25% of my health. Top usually goes 1/7 at the 12 minute mark.

Jungler: I cant play, but if I do, I usually camp bot and get dragons.

ADC: Will dodge if I ever get put on that role, I hate having to work with another person in a lane. My support will auto minions making it hard as hell to predict when to last hit it.

Support: I will harass the enemy adc, enemy adc is at 25% health all from me, my adc still sitting back farming minions with full health. I flash exhaust the enemy adc, my adc doesnt move a muscle and farms. Enemy adc gets away with 30 health. (This happens everytime i play support, thus i dodge this role as well)

Stusauce3 votes

Before Rito banned pros from doing this (as they should have) pros/high elo players would make new accounts and stream a bronze to challenger climb (purposely tank promos to get into bronze). Now, if they can do that AT WILL, it has to be more than just they had the better jungler almost EVERY SINGLE GAME. Perhaps, and I'm just spit-balling here, it's because they DESERVE to climb. Maybe the better player, over the course of a large number of games, will get an average rank that is higher than other players. If over hundreds of games, you end up Plat 5, or Diamond 2, or Silver 3, or whatever, it's because you belong there. Not everyone gets to climb. Not everyone is good enough to. That's what it boils down to. Better players climb higher than worse players. Until of course you reach your upper limit.

And I've seen pros on stream that don't make bullshit excuses like, "Ermahgerd couldn't win this one cuz top is retarded!" No, you'll hear them say something like, "Oh well, sometimes these games happen. I'll get the next one." I used to be a really big believer in "I won my lane, did my job, still lost - derp" but at some point I recognized that I could do more to win than just win my lane. Maybe I could be more attentive to teleporting bot lane to turn a gank around, or roaming mid, or invading their jungle, etc. When I adopted that attitude of looking outside my lane, my rank went up. Now I'm looking for ways to improve even further to get even higher. I'm not looking at each game and complaining that I had an afk, or that someone (including myself) had a bad game. I'm looking at each opportunity to help my team in any capacity to win the game. Part of the skill involved is using your advantage to do more than win your lane. Part of the skill is knowing how to win the game regardless of the result of your lane.

There are plenty of elements that vary from one game to the next. That's when we rely on statistics to even it out. You get a bad jungler sometimes? So do the 5 people on their team. You have a bad game sometimes? So does the enemy team, or the other 4 people on your team. The only constant from game to game is you. You and your skill decide your rank when you play enough games to average out all the other factors.

Finally, if you attribute bad luck to why you lost your games, or bad teammates, then you MUST also attribute your wins to good luck or good teammates, right? Of course not! Most people would say they won because they were better most of the time (I think everyone can agree that they get lucky sometimes or that they get carried sometimes). The reverse holds true for losses. Sometimes it's bad luck or a bad teammate, and there's not a lot you can do to change that, but most of the time there was SOMETHING you cold do to have won the game (until it slips away and snowballs out of control). Don't look at your losses as other people's fault, while simultaneously looking at your wins as your own accomplishment. The fact is that there are a lot of factors that go into both success and failure, but that's why we play many games; to average out all the extraneous factors.

Tulare1 votes

Disclaimer: This is why I'm only Silver IV. I do attribute it to good luck or good teammates when I win a game. Mind you, I know when I've had a good game, when I contributed to the victory, or when I was at least not too heavy to carry. In general, though, I don't know why a game was won or lost.

Sometimes I can point to a primary factor. What could I have done about that, though? Usually, I'm not sure. I am the epitome of "I won my lane, did my part." Not because I'm unwilling to help other lanes or play as a team but because I don't know how.

To be clear, I understand that learning how is likely the result of study. Watch replays; understand all of the champs, not just the ones that I play; familiarize myself with common tactics and strategies, etc. BORING.

What I don't do, however, is rage at my teammates or try to claim undeserved credit. I'm a silver-level player (maybe low gold) because I deserve to be. I deserve to be because I'm not willing to do what it takes to get better.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Ask Gold, Plat, Diamond players. If all of them played only jungler to rank up then your statement is correct.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tobias Brackner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=as9nzux4,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-05-15T18:20:31.636+0000)

Ask Gold, Plat, Diamond players. If all of them played only jungler to rank up then your statement is correct.

I am a Plat, former Diamond, one season in EUW and one in EUNE, and hopefully future diamond+ in the future depending on how much I can improve again.

Doesn't change the fact that playing a lane makes you feel hopeless really, really, really, REALLY often.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Are you upset that in a team game you have to rely on your team?

Play characters who can roam and take TP if you want to help the other lanes so badly.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tobias Brackner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=as9nzux4,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2017-05-15T19:10:14.474+0000)

Are you upset that in a team game you have to rely on your team?

Play characters who can roam and take TP if you want to help the other lanes so badly.

I'm upset I can't rely on my team because all it takes is a good jungler vs a bad jungler to cripple them.

It's not a team game when one team is deprived of any chance to contest.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Homie, it's a team game at its heart. You are on a team. The only thing that stops it from being a team game is if all 4 of your teammates dc.

You are complaining that you have to rely on your team and that your team can lose you the game.

You are in a team game, that's how it works.

If you don't like that, play champs who have good tools for roaming and helping other lanes.

KitSun92 votes

Yay, finally someone who can agree with me. Most of my friends don't like my favorite champions like Ash, Taliyah, Shen, Azir and just bought TF. Why people don't play more champs that can aid other lanes I don't know why... Well maybe except Azir but I just love his playstyle and just the fact that he can dominate early laning and can be a hypercarry late game. Shen is also just in case I get forced into top lane. Also I tend to take TP when I find it to be effective. Honestly most people I see just go to the champion that does a shit ton of damage, that makes it frustrating for me to try and 1v1 but in the end when I play champions with alot of utility and help my team we usually win in the end. 50 minute games where I have to peel for my entire backline as Ash ADC O_o but its those kinds of do or die games that I live for. Ashe says hi

Tobias Brackner2 votes

I feel that people tend to imitate the pros, come up with bs reasons why, and then complain when that strategy has weaknesses and demand Riot to change stuff.

Divewing3 votes

Sure, but one of the reasons I main Azir is because he's among the least team reliant champions in the game.

Barring a few champions (Malphite, Miss Fourtune namely), I can 1v5 - I just need my team to not be totally braindead, which rarely happens.

Team game as it is, it's obnoxious how much control junglers have had ever since vision was kneecapped.

Constant ganking, camping, and goon-squadding used to be gimmicky strategies that only worked in low elo, because anyone mid-silver+ would be able to ward at least 1 side of their lane with proper investment BY THEMSELVES.

Now however that's happening in pro play because even with co-ordinated vision, most of the times people escape it's because it was guessed in advance, not because of the wards, which usually are too late to stop anything.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

1 ward in the jungle will give you a really good idea where the jungler is at all times. From there its reading the lane.

The Deckowner2 votes

*As long as you grind enough game, you will climb.

10 or 1000 games? depend on luck.

Stusauce2 votes

Yes, I bet Bjergsen and Faker get to challenger because they play a lot of games and are lucky...

The thing I love about this game is that it is not about luck. Sure, there are some elements of luck (good/bad teammate, lucky out/misplay, etc.) but by and large, good players climb - bad ones don't. Simple as that. Play enough games and you don't necessarily climb; you find out whether you're good enough to climb. The more you play, the more accurate your MMR becomes. Otherwise everyone with thousands of games played would be diamond+ which is not the case.

PS part of being good at this game is not just winning your lane every game, it's finding ways to make your team win regardless of your lane. Most people are too lazy to try and win the game, unless it's by straight up outplaying your lane and hoping your team does the same to theirs.

The Deckowner1 votes

What I said was if you are good enough, and you grind out games, you will eventually climb. how much u need yo grind depends on luck, but if you grind enough, you will eventually beat the odds. Many people have the skill and ability to achieve a higher rank, they just don't play enough games.

QuickenedBlade1 votes

What you meant to say was

*as long as your bottom lane is not the one going 0-10 coming out of laning phase

Stephen The G2 votes

i always play botlane now because it seems like botlane always has shaco syndrome

Troll for Trump1 votes

Nothing prevents you from climbing except the grinding. The random teammates will even out, but only with enough games.

Karfuss1 votes

It's season 3-4, all over again.

Pseudo Bruiser-Assassin champions in jungle ruling the meta, and only does that not apply to Ivern, whom is the impossible to balance Counter Jungle king.

You're irrelevant when a Bruiser Shaco, Elise or Lee Sin drives by your lane for a 2v1.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

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It's season 3-4, all over again.

Pseudo Bruiser-Assassin champions in jungle ruling the meta, and only does that not apply to Ivern, whom is the impossible to balance Counter Jungle king.

You're irrelevant when a Bruiser Shaco, Elise or Lee Sin drives by your lane for a 2v1.

In Season 3-4 they couldn't camp this hard, which in turn also allowed actually tanky junglers to compete a little more.

Now it's a gank fiesta, only we don't have proper wards to protect ourselves with.

Jew Stomper1 votes

I'm currently gold. I made it to mid plat last season. I'm salty because I was matched with a Silver 5 Lee Sin who went 3/11 and couldn't/wouldn't gank.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

And you have the ADC who knows how to kite, and won't continuously overextend if behind.

Chønklord1 votes

All I know is, as a long time top main, when I came back to top lane this season after a season or two of not playing top, I was getting wrecked almost every game no matter my champion.

I soon realized it's because I've always played aggressive top, and nowadays every. single. fucking. jungler. ganks. at level. 3.

So I stopped pushing my wave and stopped being aggressive early, and waddaya know; I'm climbing now from s5 to s1 in a few days. Hopefully Gold on this account by the end of the week. (I don't even wanna touch my other Gold account, lest I accidentally get a losing streak or something and drop that one out of Gold too).

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