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My Thoughts On The Current Garen Buff On The PBE

fabfan·3/28/2019, 2:41:09 PM·6 votes·5,111 views

Hi everyone, I'm fabfan a OTP Garen since season 3 with +1 Million mastery point, I'm Plat since season 6 and Gold 1 at the moment and today I want to share you my thoughts on the Garen's W buff.

I know I'm not the best Garen player in the world like MarineRevenge, Fsat or Riste but I honestly think a post must be made about his current buff on the PBE.

I also know this buff can change but by experience, I don’t think it will be the case for Garen, that also my reason to make this post.

Garen The W buff: Garen

Courage (W) : Passive : Killing a unit give 0.33 armor/MR instead of 0.25 Cap is now 50 instead of 40

Active : CD lowered from 24 / 23 / 22 / 21 / 20 To 23 / 21 / 19 / 17 / 15 Duration lowered from 2/3/4/5/6 To 2 / 2.75 / 3.5 / 4.25 / 5

Garen My thoughts:Garen

Lowered the CD was a good thing and I think it’s pretty fair to nerf the duration a little bit in exchange.

You also make his scaling resistance a little bit faster, a good change in my opinion for his mid game.

Up the cap to 50, I think this change will just make Garen more powerful in low elo because it’s here where the stats are stronger.

In general, It’s a nice buff I’m agree with that but I think it will not resolve any problems for Garen. I know you prefer touch his W because his spell can rewarding the player for a good timing and it’s for now the only way to show skill expression.

But what he need honestly is some work on his E Judgment, I know that can sound scary for many people, but all Garen mains are agree with that fact E is a problem for his current state, he get outrade in every matchups and he never has a moment to shine in the game, nobody will say « make a comp to play around Garen »

GarenGaren's problemsGaren

Garen has a poor early game for a power spike in midgame (lvl 11) but this power spike is nothing compare to others champs.

He’s can’t be good vs the front line because even with his armor shred + black cleaver even if his E can apply it easily he can’t beneficiate it.

He can’t be good vs the back line because even if he can reach the carry his E take too much time to apply is entire damage and for that they get nullified by healing and shield really easily + the fact is a juggernaut he get kited really easily

Judgment is supposed to be his main damage source, but since season 6 Garen Mains are maxing Q first because Decisive Strike deal more damage than Judgment in a shorter time, it’s not supposed to be like this.

We are all agree that the spin is the problem but we don’t want to see our champ be busted. Some of Garen Mains think he need to do more damage or change his scaling like get a tick for every point in E, other want to see him get a new effect like in combat sustain or some of them think it will be better to change the spell itself (remove the spin).

Something has to be done on this spell but we don't know what.

GarenQoL Buff can be a good directionGaren

We are also all agree with the fact he need QoL change and it will be a good direction (for high elo specially)

Some examples I have here: -Make his Q animation faster or make it scale with attack speed

-Be able to use Courage while in Q animation

-Fix the bug with energized attack on his Q that last for many years.

GarenConclusionGaren

For now, most of Garen Mains (me included) start to think it will be better to Max Q into W Max, than Max Q into Max E if his buff doesn’t change, but I doubt we want that.

That was my thoughts, I can understand if some people are not agree with me and if you want to talk, it will be with pleasure.

Not gonna lie I will be happy if a Rioter can see this post.

Thank you for taking the time to read it, have a nice day.

12 Comments

Critmaster Garen3/28/2019, 7:55:25 PM5 votes

literally just let him stack conqueror with his spin.

just with q + e he could activate the keystone in 4 spins, giving him higher base damage through the ad and true damage conversion and also some in combat sustain. this would allow him to deal more damage even on beefier builds, and would support him in longer fights.

the thing is, i dont even think riot would have a problem with garen being able to use conqueror. its just the way his kit works, that he cant. they would have to build an exception into the ability itself.

Jimmy Rustles3/28/2019, 3:35:13 PM4 votes

I'm no garden OTP but he is my 3rd highest mastery

I don't really like how they keep buffing the amount of stats his W gives, you can just build even more damage now with 0 risk

You are 100% right on his E cuz it is pretty bad most of the time

Anivia Hentai3/28/2019, 6:19:52 PM2 votes

Why the fuck would they buff garen? the balance team is seriously losing its mind

slain by train3/29/2019, 12:08:50 AM2 votes

This buff is such a useless piece of shit. W is the last maxed spell on Garen and when it comes to maxing W its late game and Garen is most likely going to only survive long enough to use his W ONCE. And if he survives well he either wont need it again anytime soon or he has enough time to wait for the long CD. Only on very rare circumstances this buff is actually usefull at all. So all in all its just a 1 sec reduced CD... +10 res and faster stacking. WOW...

Man Riot wake up... Its not his defense thats bad... its his fucking bad matchups because he lacks in damage. When was the last time u compared your level 1 spin with ur level 1 q. Q does +130 dmg instant and resets aa. E does 175 dmg and needs 3 second. 3 seconds... better use those auto attacks right... atleast u can run away while spinning like u are forced to in so many matchups because u deal ZERO sustained dmg.

Doing 1 point in ur E Judgment adds 4 more flat damage and + 1% scaling AD per spin. That means he gets: 20 Flat Damage and 5% AD scaling on level 1 (5spins) 28 Flat Damage and 7% AD scaling on level 10 (7spins) 40 Flat Damage and 10% AD scaling on level 16 (10spins) over THREE ass long seconds. The flat Damage portion is drasticly to low since the Juggernaut Rework and the fact Garen is the worst Rune abuser in the game its TIME to buff his Judgment. Riot could easily double the flat damage and he would still be in touch... They release broken ass shit like Urgot, but when it comes to Garen they cant give him reasonable buffs because of low elo... Im so tired of this shit.

So if u cant give him streight buffs in damage give him mechanics and skill ceiling instead of these bandaid fixes. Like: Give his spin a piercing strike skillshot at the end. Make his W activate his passive when activated below 50% health.

Or god damn just let him stack conqueror more then once with his spin,... but no lets increase his defense.

TheBossTorre563/30/2019, 9:48:42 AM1 votes

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Hi everyone, I'm fabfan a OTP Garen since season 3 with +1 Million mastery point, I'm Plat since season 6 and Gold 1 at the moment and today I want to share you my thoughts on the Garen's W buff.

I know I'm not the best Garen player in the world like MarineRevenge, Fsat or Riste but I honestly think a post must be made about his current buff on the PBE.

I also know this buff can change but by experience, I don’t think it will be the case for Garen, that also my reason to make this post.

Garen The W buff: Garen

Courage (W) : Passive : Killing a unit give 0.33 armor/MR instead of 0.25 Cap is now 50 instead of 40

Active : CD lowered from 24 / 23 / 22 / 21 / 20 To 23 / 21 / 19 / 17 / 15 Duration lowered from 2/3/4/5/6 To 2 / 2.75 / 3.5 / 4.25 / 5

Garen My thoughts:Garen

Lowered the CD was a good thing and I think it’s pretty fair to nerf the duration a little bit in exchange.

You also make his scaling resistance a little bit faster, a good change in my opinion for his mid game.

Up the cap to 50, I think this change will just make Garen more powerful in low elo because it’s here where the stats are stronger.

In general, It’s a nice buff I’m agree with that but I think it will not resolve any problems for Garen. I know you prefer touch his W because his spell can rewarding the player for a good timing and it’s for now the only way to show skill expression.

But what he need honestly is some work on his E Judgment, I know that can sound scary for many people, but all Garen mains are agree with that fact E is a problem for his current state, he get outrade in every matchups and he never has a moment to shine in the game, nobody will say « make a comp to play around Garen »

GarenGaren's problemsGaren

Garen has a poor early game for a power spike in midgame (lvl 11) but this power spike is nothing compare to others champs.

He’s can’t be good vs the front line because even with his armor shred + black cleaver even if his E can apply it easily he can’t beneficiate it.

He can’t be good vs the back line because even if he can reach the carry his E take too much time to apply is entire damage and for that they get nullified by healing and shield really easily + the fact is a juggernaut he get kited really easily

Judgment is supposed to be his main damage source, but since season 6 Garen Mains are maxing Q first because Decisive Strike deal more damage than Judgment in a shorter time, it’s not supposed to be like this.

We are all agree that the spin is the problem but we don’t want to see our champ be busted. Some of Garen Mains think he need to do more damage or change his scaling like get a tick for every point in E, other want to see him get a new effect like in combat sustain or some of them think it will be better to change the spell itself (remove the spin).

Something has to be done on this spell but we don't know what.

GarenQoL Buff can be a good directionGaren

We are also all agree with the fact he need QoL change and it will be a good direction (for high elo specially)

Some examples I have here: -Make his Q animation faster or make it scale with attack speed

-Be able to use Courage while in Q animation

-Fix the bug with energized attack on his Q that last for many years.

GarenConclusionGaren

For now, most of Garen Mains (me included) start to think it will be better to Max Q into W Max, than Max Q into Max E if his buff doesn’t change, but I doubt we want that.

That was my thoughts, I can understand if some people are not agree with me and if you want to talk, it will be with pleasure.

Not gonna lie I will be happy if a Rioter can see this post.

Thank you for taking the time to read it, have a nice day.

The best way to buff Garen is to make him a more skilled champion, also beacouse in a lower elo may be abused with this type of buffs. The W’s buff is good only about his (Active), beacouse it helps you to use it more times, considering that is the only one “skilled” spell on Garen. The problem is that Garen needn’t a buff on his W’s (Passive), but at his E. For example they can try to buff it with somethig like this: If you are striking 1 target, you will do 40% more damages. If you are striking 2 targets, you will do 20% more damages. 3 enemies > +10% 4 enemies > +5% 5 enemies > base damage (just to stop an huge wave clear)

In this way, Riot will make this spell extremely more “skilled”, beacouse if you are good enough to zone your enemy from the others, you will obtain more damages. So every Garen player will think more about the best moment to use his E, and the difference between a more experienced Garen compared to a new one, will be higher than now.